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originally posted in: Code of Ethics for Male Gamers
10/30/2013 1:42:26 PM
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I wasn't gonna get involved, but this thing exploded into a shit storm and frankly I'm annoyed by this post. The problem with your post is it that it makes you come off as a condescending douche towards males. Maybe you were well meaning, or maybe you're like someone else said and you're just trying to appeal to female gamers, at this point I really can't tell. It's really this simple, did you actually expect this post to be well received? I mean, you basically gave a bunch of (mostly male) gamers a list of what they're doing wrong, and made assumptions which, while not completely unfounded, are stereotypical and frankly insulting. Plus, you assumed that all female gamers are created equal, and that they're all bothered by boys being boys. I've met plenty of girls online who are just as crude and/or just as flirty as guys. Sure it's not all of them, but it's also not all guys either. And come on about the sex jokes man, have an appreciation for humor. Do you see how you touched a nerve here? Perhaps the biggest problem here is that you, rather condescendingly, pushed your 'superior' moral code on other guys, which is pretty self-righteous of you and of course the natural reaction obviously was, "who the -blam!- are you to tell us what to do?".
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  • So in other words some guys are feeling the need to defend themselves. Why. Because I'm saying that guys tend to be assholes. Am I wrong. If I am them how come when you look up harassment in video games crap like "Grace, an editor of the website Fat, Ugly, or Slutty, said, “When it’s discovered that [a player is] a woman, the abuse changes. It’ll become more concentrated from a lot of players at once or the content changes: It becomes a lot more sexualized or becomes violent.” Come up. Am I lying and IF am prove it to me. This thread has been accepted well seeing how it's in the gray. People are agreeing with what Im saying and it's just a few defensive guy that don't want to admit that this is a problem. I'm not going to waste my time with you because nothing that you are saying is true.

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  • Sorry, but if you expect me prove that nothing you say is wrong you can't expect to just say that everything I say is wrong without explaining why. It works both ways man. And you're simply asking me the wrong question, in fact, you didn't even actually address anything I said. I won't deny that disrespect occurs online, come on guy, it wouldn't even make sense to do that. And I admire what you're trying to do, but you're simply going about it the wrong way. This is where you're wrong, I repeat, your post lumps male gamers into a single category of assholes, and you also assume that all girls online are the same, realistically that makes your post just as disrespectful to female gamers as male, can't you see that? And look man, I never said this never happens but the way you went about saying it was so condescending and high-and-mighty that really you only pissed people off. Then on top of that, you're getting defensive about the parts I wasn't even talking about. And as a side note, while I don't deny the truth in the stories about online abuse that you mentioned, I'd also caution you to remember that if you go looking for bad news, you'll probably find bad news

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  • Now you're just getting defensive. I didn't say all guys are creepers.

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  • No, no, I'm not saying you did either, I'm just saying that the way you worded your original post implied that you felt that way.

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  • Not really. It was intended to the creepers. Not all Males. Most Males already know what to do when in a lobby with a chick, but some do not and those are the people who I am talking to.

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  • My mistake for my false perception, and my sincerest apologies then my good sir!

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  • No problem my friend. I'm glad we could talk this out.

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