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originally posted in:The Vanguardians
10/18/2013 2:08:46 AM
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Your giving out common sense. You're saying "you should not od this this and this, but you should do this this and this." If you weren't trying to stop people from creeping then you wouldn't have made this thread.
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Are you really any different from me when it comes to how people think? You already acted like saying "no this is bad" will change the way that person thinks. I understand that someone who is like that wouldn't listen to you. I've said this over 10 times already. Anyway what I said earlier will probably stop the people who do it for attention. Anyway the harasser is just doing it for the hell of it then the people he harass can just report the guy, and he will be banned. Solved.
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Yeah because you are clearly thinking of the best possible ending for a situation and rarely does that happen. You are treating this like it's no big deal so of course you are going to look at the best possible ending instead of thinking that thing s could end worse. And when the Harasser just makes a new account then what. You aren't putting any deep thought into this.
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It's more effective then what you're doing. All you're doing is saying "no, bad dog". When the harasser can easily say "lol no". You act like the guy would suddenly listen to you even after girls girls he hit on obvious gave him clear signs that he is not wanted. Muting and reporting the people who do it is the most effective way to do it. How bad can it get anyway?
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Edited by AssaultProdigy: 10/22/2013 10:14:40 PMIt's effective for one person, not the community as a whole. What you are doing is barely doing anything. What you are doing is telling the harasser that the worse they can do to him is mute him. There are no consequences, there is only someone muting and blocking a person that's not going to stop. Stop with the bear minimum. Stop being so damn lazy.
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You are saying that I am saying that there are no consequences when I mentioned that using the mute and report options are the most effective way to get rid of them. Muting the guy stops him from bothering you, reporting him will get him banned. If he just makes another account and doesn't change then he will be banned again if he does what he is doing. Also all you are doing is saying "no bad dog" and you're calling me lazy.... Yea because it took so much effect to say "her harassers.... stop harassing people"
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Mute does nothing and reporting takes time for any action to take place. Why are you not understanding that. You're not getting rid of anyone when you mute them. You are just pressing the big IGNORE button that you have. Muting doesn't stop the troll from trolling, just like ear plugs doesn't stop a person from talking. You just said it, they can make as many accounts as they want to. So what you are suggesting is NOT a solution at all.
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So is your solution automatically converting these harassers to normal people? Not at all. No solution does. What I'm saying will stop people from being affected by it. So here is an example, someone gets a message saying "-blam!-". They ignore it. They continue getting annoying messages from the same person. So the harasser gets muted. He can send as much messages as he wants but the person who blocked him won't be affected by him. Also for the record, trolls annoy people for the sake of pissing them off. If the troll is ignored then he doesn't get what he wants.
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No it's making sure that they are not allowed to play mutliplayers. That is something that is obtainable. You can ban someone for a year and then make sure that they are not able to make another account. What you are saying will stop SHIT. It doesn't stop a damn thing. It's a lazy way to TRY to fix a problem. You're not even trying to stop the harasser and that where you fail here.
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I read your list again, it said nothing about something that would stop them from playing multiplayer. It stops nothing, it just says "no stop doing it". Muting the guy stops them from bothering the person. Are you saying that if I mute someone and I can no longer get any more messages from them doesn't stop him from bothering me? Reporting him gets him banned. Not all the harassers are going to make infinite accounts.
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When did I ever go over the consequences in my list. I didn't. If you would read then you would see that this was a simple list of dos and donts. [quote]Muting the guy stops them from bothering the person.[/quote] But it doesn't stop the harasser you moron. How hard is this for you to understand. Muting is nothing but an ignore button. It doesn't stop the problem. [quote] Not all the harassers are going to make infinite accounts.[/quote] So you're admitting that someone might go the extra mile and make multiple accounts.
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[quote]When did I ever go over the consequences in my list. I didn't. If you would read then you would see that this was a simple list of dos and donts. [/quote] [quote]No it's making sure that they are not allowed to play mutliplayers. [/quote] You said that it stops them from playing multiplayer, but you just admited that it's just a list of dos and don'ts . [quote]But it doesn't stop the harasser you moron. How hard is this for you to understand. Muting is nothing but an ignore button. It doesn't stop the problem.[/quote] Neither does a list of do's and don'ts. Atleast my way stops people from being affected by it. [quote]So you're admitting that someone might go the extra mile and make multiple accounts.[/quote] Eventually the harasser will stop making accounts. A lot of them won't even bother making that many accounts anyway.
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[quote]Yeah we all knew that this was coming. If Destiny is what we think it is then the City is going to be a great place for friend to meet and to show off your armor. It's also going to be a place where creepers roam. We have all be in a match where a girl with a mic come into the game and there are one or two guys that start creeping on her. NO ONE wants to see this in Destiny. So you creepers out there here is a short list of dos and donts.[/quote] That's what I said, I also said that if you follow these rules then the creeping will stop. [quote]Neither does a list of do's and don'ts. Atleast my way stops people from being affected by it[/quote] So a creeper doing the things on this list wont stop creeping.......come on man [quote] Eventually the harasser will stop making accounts. A lot of them won't even bother making that many accounts anyway.[/quote] Can you please stop with the assuming
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[quote]That's what I said, I also said that if you follow these rules then the creeping will stop.[/quote] I don't try to follow those rules, to me it's common sense [quote]So a creeper doing the things on this list wont stop creeping.......come on man[/quote] I've said many times already that they won't listen to you. [quote]Can you please stop with the assuming[/quote] It's pretty obvious, not everyone is going to make a thousand different accounts. Also you forgot about this. People need to pay for xbox live and to play multiplayer on the ps4. Do you honestly someone would go through the effort of making another account and paying more money just to annoy the person? No.
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[quote]I don't try to follow those rules, to me it's common sense[/quote] I don't know why you keep comparing everyone to you. To some people this is not common sense. [quote]I've said many times already that they won't listen to you.[/quote] I'm not posting for them to listen to me. I'm posting this for awareness [quote] It's pretty obvious, not everyone is going to make a thousand different accounts. Also you forgot about this. People need to pay for xbox live and to play multiplayer on the ps4. Do you honestly someone would go through the effort of making another account and paying more money just to annoy the person? No.[/quote] Stop with you're assuming. It's annoying now. You have no idea how people function.
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[quote]That's what I said, I also said that if you follow these rules then the creeping will stop.[/quote] You said that if I followed those rules creeping would stop. So I told you what I do, I wasn't trying to compare myself to anybody. [quote]I'm not posting for them to listen to me. I'm posting this for awareness[/quote] And you were acting like what you said would help so much earlier. So you mean online people harass eachther :O? Shocker. [quote]Stop with you're assuming. It's annoying now. You have no idea how people function.[/quote] It's common sense. So you are saying that people are going to constantly make more accounts and renew their membership for the sake of bothering people? It's not worth the trouble, no they won''t. I guess you jusst have trouble understanding that it doesn't matter if some people creep or not. The only thing that matters is if people are bothered by it which someone can easily stop.
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[quote] You said that if I followed those rules creeping would stop. So I told you what I do, I wasn't trying to compare myself to anybody.[/quote] The thread is not talking to JUST YOU. Why would you think it was. [quote] And you were acting like what you said would help so much earlier. So you mean online people harass eachther :O? Shocker.[/quote] It would help if people would follow the rules. Why aren't you getting this. [quote]It's common sense. So you are saying that people are going to constantly make more accounts and renew their membership for the sake of bothering people? It's not worth the trouble, no they won''t.[/quote] It's not common sense it's you assuming things and what you believe to be true. [quote]I guess you jusst have trouble understanding that it doesn't matter if some people creep or not. The only thing that matters is if people are bothered by it which someone can easily stop.[/quote] Clearly it does matter if people creep because it's a problem.
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[quote]The thread is not talking to JUST YOU. Why would you think it was.[/quote] No I didn't take the thread as being directed towards me. I took the statement that said "if you follow these rules creeping will stop". [quote]It would help if people would follow the rules. Why aren't you getting this.[/quote] I'm saying that the people who creep won't [quote]It's not common sense it's you assuming things and what you believe to be true. [/quote] So you're saying that someone who creeps can't be stopped by being banned, and if the creeper makes another account he will be just as willing to make another account and pay for live so he can continue to annoy people just to be banned again? People have their limites. [quote]Clearly it does matter if people creep because it's a problem.[/quote] It only matters if it really affects people in a bad way. Lets face it, we are getting no where here. This is what is basically gonna happen. You are going to say that you are right, I will say no you're wrong, and I'm right, and we are just going to continue doing this until one of us gives up. I'm not going to agree with you, and you aren't going to agree with me. If we don't stop now then this is just going to waste more of our own time. If you can atleast agree on this then you can have the last say. I'll try not to reply.
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Edited by AssaultProdigy: 10/23/2013 12:52:56 AM[quote] No I didn't take the thread as being directed towards me. I took the statement that said "if you follow these rules creeping will stop".[/quote] Because it would. [quote] I'm saying that the people who creep won't[/quote] You know this how. You're assuming again [quote]So you're saying that someone who creeps can't be stopped by being banned, and if the creeper makes another account he will be just as willing to make another account and pay for live so he can continue to annoy people just to be banned again? People have their limites.[/quote] You do realize that you don't have to Pay4play on the PS3 [quote] It only matters if it really affects people in a bad way.[/quote] So you're saying that it matters because it is a problem [quote]Lets face it, we are getting no where here. This is what is basically gonna happen. You are going to say that you are right, I will say no you're wrong, and I'm right, and we are just going to continue doing this until one of us gives up. I'm not going to agree with you, and you aren't going to agree with me. If we don't stop now then this is just going to waste more of our own time. If you can atleast agree on this then you can have the last say. I'll try not to reply.[/quote] I'll stop replying when you do.
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[quote]Because it would. You know this how. You're assuming again[/quote] I see you can assume but I can't. I'll say it again it's simple logic. If someone harasses others then he was probably treated badly and was told "stop". By definition a harasser will persistently do it. So simply saying "no bad dog won't help". Which is why the best thing to do is mute them. [quote]You do realize that you don't have to Pay4play on the PS3[/quote] The ps3 isn't as popular as the other consoles that destiny is going to be on. And I'll saying again if you want someone to stop harassing you all you got to do is mute them and they can't bother you anymore. [quote]So you're saying that it matters because it is a problem[/quote] It matters because it affects people in a bad way, but it can't affect people if the harasser is muted. [quote]I'll stop replying when you do.[/quote] I honestly thought you would be more mature about it and accept that we can keep this going forever.
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[quote] I see you can assume but I can't. I'll say it again it's simple logic. If someone harasses others then he was probably treated badly and was told "stop". By definition a harasser will persistently do it. So simply saying "no bad dog won't help". Which is why the best thing to do is mute them. [/quote] So me saying that if creepers stop creeping then this wouldn't be a problem. I like how nearsighted you are being. You're assuming that you know how people would at. I'm saying that if creepers followed these rules then there would be less creepers on the internet. [quote]The ps3 isn't as popular as the other consoles that destiny is going to be on. And I'll saying again if you want someone to stop harassing you all you got to do is mute them and they can't bother you anymore. [/quote] Yeah because Bungie just teamed up with activision who has made there living on Sony. Unless you have proof, then you're just assuming..............AGAIN And all Im saying is that Muting doesn't fix the problem at all. [quote]It matters because it affects people in a bad way, but it can't affect people if the harasser is muted.[/quote] Yet the harasser can still harass other people so how are you fixing the problem. [quote] I honestly thought you would be more mature about it and accept that we can keep this going forever.[/quote] And I thought I would be talking to someone that was a little smarter. We all can't have what we want in life.
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[quote]So me saying that if creepers stop creeping then this wouldn't be a problem. I like how nearsighted you are being. You're assuming that you know how people would at. I'm saying that if creepers followed these rules then there would be less creepers on the internet.[/quote] What makes you think that a creeper would follow your rules? [quote]Yeah because Bungie just teamed up with activision who has made there living on Sony. Unless you have proof, then you're just assuming..............AGAIN And all Im saying is that Muting doesn't fix the problem at all.[/quote] The xbox 360 is more popular than the ps3 already, that's a fact. There will be people who had a ps3 that are getting a ps4, that's a fact. There are also people who are going from an xbox 360, to a ps4. The company already had a deal with sony to market mainly on the ps4. [quote]Yet the harasser can still harass other people so how are you fixing the problem.[/quote] When you think about it the problem is already fixed since people can just stop the people can stop the guy from bothering them which is what blocking is for. If the harasser goes to the next person then that person can block him too. [quote]And I thought I would be talking to someone that was a little smarter. We all can't have what we want in life.[/quote] I just think differently from you. It doesn't make me any smarter or dumber.
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[quote]What makes you think that a creeper would follow your rules?[/quote] So you're just ASSUMING that no one would follow these rules. [quote]The xbox 360 is more popular than the ps3 already, that's a fact. There will be people who had a ps3 that are getting a ps4, that's a fact. There are also people who are going from an xbox 360, to a ps4. The company already had a deal with sony to market mainly on the ps4.[/quote] All this and still no proof [quote]When you think about it the problem is already fixed since people can just stop the people can stop the guy from bothering them which is what blocking is for. If the harasser goes to the next person then that person can block him too. [/quote] And the never ending cycle continues. You do understand that you aren't fixing anything. [quote] I just think differently from you. It doesn't make me any smarter or dumber[/quote] no but consistently saying that a band aid fix is a absolute fix does
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[quote]So you're just ASSUMING that no one would follow these rules.[/quote] I notice that you assume all you want but when I do it you complain. Anyway you still didn't answer my question. [quote]All this and still no proof[/quote] It's already a fact. [quote]And the never ending cycle continues. You do understand that you aren't fixing anything. [/quote] Yes it is you can't make the harasser stop trying to harass people, but you can stop people from being bothered by it. All they gotta do is mute him. [quote]no but consistently saying that a band aid fix is a absolute fix does[/quote] So if I am being harassed by someone and I mute them, I am still being bothered.... logic.
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Edited by AssaultProdigy: 10/24/2013 2:25:26 AM[quote] I notice that you assume all you want but when I do it you complain. Anyway you still didn't answer my question.[/quote] I'm not assuming at all. [quote]It's already a fact.[/quote] Still no proof [quote] Yes it is you can't make the harasser stop trying to harass people, but you can stop people from being bothered by it. All they gotta do is mute him.[/quote] You can make the harasser stop harassing people. What you are suggesting is nothing [quote]So if I am being harassed by someone and I mute them, I am still being bothered.... logic.[/quote] Yes they can still bother someone else. It's like im talking to a 12 year old
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[quote]I'm not assuming at all.[/quote] You still didn't answer the question. Also, you assume that the person will go straight to another person after being muted. You assume that after being banned the harasser will just make another account. You also assume that no matter how many times the person gets banned he will just make another account. [quote]Still no proof[/quote] prove me wrong. [quote]You can make the harasser stop harassing people. What you are suggesting is nothing[/quote] ok how? [quote]Yes they can still bother someone else. It's like im talking to a 12 year old [/quote] That person can mute him too.
