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The United States is the world leader in healthcare innovation, due in large part to the for-profit model that most hospitals follow. Going single-payer would end that. I'm on the end of less government intervention.
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Edited by Quantum: 10/27/2013 5:27:24 AM[b]Healthcare innovation does not come from the profits of insurance companies.[/b] They mostly come from the research spending of [i]pharmaceutical companies and government grants. [/i]
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I never said that it came from insurance companies. Learn to read.
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Edited by Quantum: 10/27/2013 8:18:55 AMThen you aren't really supporting the old US system. Either you implied that it comes from insurance companies, or your statement is a non-sequitur because the profit-based system for hospitals is also present in other countries and is not really relevant anyway. A hospital is not exactly considered to be a single financial institution, especially when they are so many companies involved in the healthcare business.
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The United States is the leader healthcare technology, but we're not even close to the leader in healthcare management (that being our system). Moreover, Obamacare is not a single payer system.
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Would you sacrifice one for the other? A single-payer system isn't going to fix what we have.
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Sacrifice what for what? [quote]A single-payer system isn't going to fix what we have.[/quote]And why do you think this?
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[quote]Sacrifice what for what?[/quote] Innovation for management. As for single-payer not fixing it. If we went single-payer I can guarantee you that you would see a mass exodus of doctors. A lot of doctors go into the healthcare industry for the large salaries and abilities to manage their own practices. A single-payer system would end both of those.
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You've never lived under a single payer system, have you? Doctors are very generously paid in the UK and come out with far less debt than a US medical student does. If a doctor went into healthcare just for a large salary, I don't think they're likely to be a very good doctor. The salary is there because to become a doctor requires years of specialist training, having no life, working obscenely long shifts and so forth. You have to pretty committed to be a doctor, and there are far easier fields to get better paid in. Finance, for instance.
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Edited by Quantum: 10/27/2013 8:23:44 AM[quote]As for single-payer not fixing it. If we went single-payer I can guarantee you that you would see a mass exodus of doctors.[/quote] And where would these doctors go exactly? To other countries with UHC overseas? A mass exodus of people becoming willingly unemployed? [quote]A lot of doctors go into the healthcare industry for the large salaries and abilities to manage their own practices.[/quote] Doctors are still highly paid overseas. In my country, doctors and/or surgeons more often than not receive greater pay than certain parliamentary MPs. (Barring newcomers.) [quote]abilities to manage their own practices.[/quote] Elaborate. Doctors in NZ easily make about 2x the average worker's pay after 2-3 years in the practice. Surgeons and specialists will get 3x to 4x after a few years as well. They are all extremely rich after a few years in the practice.