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Edited by Hank Hill: 9/1/2013 3:41:21 AM
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Obama's really pushing it...

I'm pretty sure everyone can agree on how much of a dumbshit Obama's being right now. Every other country seems hesitant on taking any serious action, while Obama seems to just want to push the "Pew Pew, America" button. People complained about how Bush sent thousands of troops into Afghanistan and Iraq; but Obama seems much worse. At least Bush had a decent reason, Obama's is just crap; if there actually is one at all. Here's an article on matter: [url=http://news.msn.com/us/obama-seeks-congressional-approval-for-syria-strike]Obama seeks congressional approval for Syria strike[/url] [quote]Delaying what had loomed as an imminent strike, President Barack Obama abruptly announced Saturday he will seek congressional approval before launching any military action meant to punish Syria for its alleged use of chemical weapons in an attack that killed hundreds. Late Saturday, the White House sent Congress a draft of a resolution authorizing Obama to use military force. With Navy ships on standby in the Mediterranean Sea ready to launch their cruise missiles, Obama said he had decided the United States should take military action and that he believes he has "the authority to carry out this military action without specific congressional authorization." At the same time, he said, "I know that the country will be stronger if we take this course and our actions will be even more effective." Congress is scheduled to return from a summer vacation Sept. 9. Obama didn't say so, but his strategy carries enormous risks to his and the nation's credibility, which the administration has argued forcefully is on the line in Syria. Obama long ago said the use of chemical weapons was a "red line" that Syrian President Bashar Assad would not be allowed to cross with impunity. Only this week, British Prime Minister David Cameron suffered a humiliating defeat when the House of Commons refused to support his call for military action against Syria. Either way, the developments marked a stunning turn in an episode in which Obama has struggled to gain international support for a strike, while dozens of lawmakers at home urged him to seek their backing. The draft resolution lays out the administration's claim that Assad's regime killed more than 1,000 last week in a chemical weapons attack. It says the objective of a U.S. military response would be to "deter, disrupt, prevent and degrade" the regime's ability to use chemical weapons going forward. The resolution authorizes Obama to use the military as he determines "necessary and appropriate" to serve that goal. The draft doesn't lay out a timeline for action. But it does say only a political settlement can resolve the Syrian crisis. Halfway around the world, Syrians awoke Saturday to state television broadcasts of tanks, planes and other weapons of war, and troops training, all to a soundtrack of martial music. Assad's government blames rebels in the attack Aug. 21 and has threatened retaliation if it is attacked. Russian President Vladimir Putin, saying he was appealing to a Nobel Peace laureate rather than to a president, urged Obama to reconsider. A group that monitors casualties in the long Syrian civil war challenged the United States to substantiate its claim that 1,429 died in a chemical weapons attack, including more than 400 children. By accident or design, the new timetable gives time for U.N. inspectors to receive lab results from the samples they took during four days in Damascus and to compile a final report. After leaving Syria overnight, the inspection team arrived in Rotterdam, Netherlands, a few hours before Obama spoke. The group's leader was expected to brief Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon on Sunday. Republicans expressed satisfaction at Obama's decision and challenged him to make his case to the public and lawmakers alike that American power should be used to punish Assad. "We are glad the president is seeking authorization for any military action in Syria in response to serious, substantive questions being raised," House Speaker John Boehner of Ohio and other House Republican leaders said in a joint statement. "In consultation with the president, we expect the House to consider a measure the week of September 9th. This provides the president time to make his case to Congress and the American people." It appeared that effort at persuasion was already well underway. The administration arranged a series of weekend briefings for lawmakers, both classified and unclassified, and Obama challenged lawmakers to consider "what message will we send to a dictator" if he is allowed to kill hundreds of children with chemical weapons without suffering any retaliation. While lawmakers are scheduled to return to work Sept. 9, officials said it was possible the Senate might come back to session before then. Obama said Friday that he was considering "limited and narrow" steps to punish Assad, adding that U.S. national security interests were at stake. He pledged no U.S. combat troops on the ground in Syria, where a civil war has claimed more than 100,000 civilian lives. With Obama struggling to gain international backing for a strike, Putin urged him to reconsider his plans. "We have to remember what has happened in the last decades, how many times the United States has been the initiator of armed conflict in different regions of the world," said Putin, a strong Assad ally. "Did this resolve even one problem?" Even the administration's casualty estimate was grist for controversy. The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, an organization that monitors casualties in the country, said it has confirmed 502 deaths, nearly 1,000 fewer than the American intelligence assessment claimed. Rami Abdel-Rahman, the head of the organization, said he was not contacted by U.S. officials about his efforts to collect information about the death toll in the attacks Aug. 21. "America works only with one part of the opposition that is deep in propaganda," he said, and urged the Obama administration to release the information upon which its estimate is based. Obama was buffeted, too, by some lawmakers challenging his authority to strike Syria without congressional approval and by others who urged him to intervene more forcefully than he has signaled he will. In the hours before Obama's Rose garden announcement, he was joined at the White House by top advisers. Vice President Joseph Biden, who had planned a holiday weekend at home in Delaware, was among them. So, too, were Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, Secretary of State John Kerry and other top administration officials. In the famously flammable Middle East, Israel readied for the possible outbreak of hostilities. The Israeli military disclosed it has deployed an "Iron Dome" missile defense battery in the Tel Aviv area to protect civilians from any possible missile attack from next-door Syria or any of its allies. Missile defenses were deployed in the northern part of the country several days ago, and large crowds have been gathering at gas-mask-distribution centers to pick up protection kits.[/quote] TL:DR: Obama wants to ignite another major war.
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  • I love how you wrote one sentence about Bush and the whole thread is about him. You clowns really never miss an opportunity to hate on Bush. Bush is twice the president your king Obama will ever be. That being said, I fully support Obama in his decision. We absoutley need to do something about chemical weapons being used.

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    • I'm out, politics bore me.

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    • Now he says he doesnt need to validate his red line comment, that its the international communities concern. What a fu­cktard.

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    • >no good reason Okay, so the breach of a worldwide UN regulation isn't a good reason for military intervention right enough? Seriously, what's the point in a chemical weapons ban if we aren't going to enforce it or apply any sort of penalty? It's like letting murderers get away scot free. Literally.

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      • Well goddammit obama.

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      • [quote]People complained about how Bush sent thousands of troops into Afghanistan and Iraq; but Obama seems much worse.[/quote] *faceplam* [quote]At least Bush had a decent reason, Obama's is just crap; if there actually is one at all. [/quote] OP confirmed a retard.

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      • There's no way a Nobel Peace Prize winner would push for military action. No way at all.

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        • Conservatives aren't backing him because they hate him and liberals aren't backing him because they don't like war. If we had a Republican in office I guarantee you that the Conservative stance would flip.

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          • He's not going to send in troops (unlike Bush) and he's asking for a vote in Congress. He's not throwing us into the war. Furthermore, the use of chemical weapons is illegal by international law and this guy ended up using it on his own people while they slept (supposedly). While I agree sending any military force may be too much for us to handle right now, helping out the citizens with medical treatment is perhaps the nicer way to go. I would like to see, however, some other country come in and lay down the international ban hammer, not necessarily with brute force, but with some type of punishment, because dropping a paralyzing nerve gas in a neighborhood filled with families of your own citizens is a little -blam!-ed up. Just a little.

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          • On this topic does anyone have any source of allegation that the rebels falsified these attacks or that these weapons may have come from saudia arabia and were mishandled. I am not saying anything that the rebebls did it. I was just wandering if there were any source on this. Remember we know for sure the saudis dupport the rebels. As they are assads enemy plus the rebels are known to be comprised of largly jihadi groups. One of which was known for eating the hearts of their captives. All i know is syria is screwed and their only hope specifically for stability and safety for minorities is in assad. Democracy sadly is not an option for them. God dammit why was this not solved peacefully in the beginning like how jordan settled their protest. Also destroying the infradtructure will be horrible as it will make the place impoverished like iraq who also faced same problem with the loss of their whole grid. This causes poverty and makes it much easier for terrorist hroups to recruit new members. Sadly for the US its not a good outlook by the looks of booth options in front of them.

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            • Edited by risay_117: 9/4/2013 4:37:57 AM
              Sorry for dounle post phone app glitch.

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            • Obama wants to save his Muslims Brothers.

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              • Can someone explain to me what happened in Syria? In like five sentences or around that general area. Just something sweet and simple?

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                  Bush had a decent reason? u do realize that a) Saddam Hussein never had WMDs b) Iraq today is not peaceful nor democratic c) the Taliban offered to hand over Osama; Bush just continued to bomb Afghanistan d) the Afghanistan didn't capture Osama-Navy Seals did e) lol GG TAX MONEY NIQQA

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                  • Obama strikes Syria: OMG HE'S JUST LIKE BUSH, HE'S A WAR-MONGERING MANIAC Obama doesn't strike Syria: OBAMA'S WEAK ON FOREIGN POLICY Everyone, shut up about Obama. Talk about Syria, not Obama.

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                  • Obama has a lot more a reason to strike in Syria than Bush ever had for Iraq. Bush had the suspicion of WMDs, which we later found out weren't there, but Obama has probably cause to investigate these chemical weapon attacks in Damascus, more so when you consider the fact that the area hit was also the area that the Syrian Gov't was struggling to gain control of at this time. The evidence is unclear, yes, but it is starting to look like Assad was using chemical weapons against the rebels, and that is a crime against humanity. We cannot in good conscious allow for complacency of such an action, so I would hope there will be a more in depth investigation with decent proof before they make a choice, but I do also hope the choice is appropriate in response to any violence.

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                    • It's surprising that Obama is seeking congressional approval before deploying. Bush just did it.

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                      • Hang him and burn him. We need to keep out of other nations business.

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                        [quote]TL:DR: Obama wants to ignite another major war.[/quote] Another? He ignited a major war before? [spoiler]Sorry but I am absolutely clueless when it comes to politics[/spoiler]

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                        • Obama can't win. 1) He authorizes action on Syria without Congressional approval - "he's abusing his power" 2) He goes to Congress for their position - "he's a coward" Pick one and only one. You can't hate both options.

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                          • So a lot of people are killed in Syria by chemical weapons, violating international law, (supposedly). Obama personally thinks its a good idea to enforce those laws. He asks for congressional approval. He promises not to put boots on the ground if its approved. This makes him a worse warmonger then bush. Hmmm. Okay.

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                            • If we want a better ;\look I say we deploy our politically invisible soldiers for a first hand account of what things are like right now.

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                            • Edited by Snake Plissken: 9/2/2013 10:07:14 PM

                              Started a new topic: An incident people conveniently forget when talking about Syria...

                            • WW III

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                            • [quote]So a lot of people are killed in Syria by chemical weapons, violating international law, (supposedly). Obama personally thinks its a good idea to enforce those laws. He asks for congressional approval. He promises not to put boots on the ground if its approved. This makes him a worse warmonger then bush. Hmmm. Okay.[/quote] This is pretty much my opinion on the matter.

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                            • So if Obama just goes in he is a gun-toting tyrant Yet if he waits for congress he is a pu$$y?

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