Why bring up ratings? Because ratings dictate the realm of design you can work in. A T rated game cannot go places an M rated game can. We know that they do not want to make Destiny more realistic and that is why we are criticizing it. I am not asking for some gears of war gameplay but lets be realistic about what apocalypses and wars entail.

And yet that theory and perspective is so over done its old. I am not disagreeing with you on the grittiness and darkness etc. but only have it where it is appropriate and applicable. For so long the entertainment industry has associated a post apocalypic world with darkness and grittiness and having the fight for survival. That's all great and and its very realistic. However, most times the entertainment industry focuses on these things, they fail to include the bright spots of the world. In Destiny, humans are not only surviving, but they are thriving. We are beyond the dark days of facing day-to-day extinction and instead of attempting to take back what was once ours. Yes, there are threats, but this war isn't as much about the battle to avoid extinction so much as it is about reclaiming the lost Golden Age of humanity. We have already won the war against extinction, now we are branching out of the City and reclaiming our solar system from "outsiders." So again, I will say that the dark gritty "realism" that both you and the OP are wanting doesn't quite fit into the design that Bungie is trying to portray in Destiny. Also, I said why bring up ratings when I said nothing about them. Then I also said that I agreed with you about the M rating. So ratings obviously have nothing to do with our conversation here.

I don't know why you are talking focusing good parts of life. I never said the game should be depressing, just that the gritty parts shouldn't be left out. This whole thread is about ratings because they specifically relate to the design of the game, if you remember my first post was in response to somebody else not you. The ratings do have A LOT to do with the contents of a game and it's design. And yes we know that IS NOT what Bungie is trying to do, and we disagree with their opinion.

Okay so in summation: We disagree on the style Bungie is bringing to Destiny. I like it, you and OP don't. The game will probably be rated M, we both agree on that. There is a lot more you can do in an M rated game versus a T rated game. That is a fact and not being disputed whatsoever. The entire point of our conversation was that we were disagreeing on the style Bungie is implementing into Destiny, which had nothing to do with what it will be rated at all. (This is why I kept wondering why you kept mentioning ratings) Conversation seems to be over. Stay Classy good sir.

Just to be clear I do think the game will be rated T for Teen and that was what I had a problem with.

Really? Why? The ERSB is already stating that they are anticipating an M rating and Bungie has already stated that they will not sacrifice their game content for a lower ESRB rating.

They have just been really clear about their desire for a T for Teen rating. Even to go so far as to say they want to be able to play Destiny with little kids. Can you link me to where they said they wouldn't sacrifice game content for a lower ESRB rating?