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originally posted in:Secular Sevens
Edited by Mac:
7/30/2013 10:59:10 PM
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I'm just going to come out and say it, I'm really starting to think this is a troll thread. It seems like the OP isn't really looking for real discussion and is just looking to be malicious to people of faith. It's a shame really, because the content had potential.
I think if people start muting and reporting trolls like this, the community would actually be decent. Because until people start muting and reporting, the moderation team won't take action.
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It's far too easy to dismiss people you disagree with by claiming their intentions aren't pure, which is why any sort of intelligent and thoughtful discussion on Bnext will almost certainly ultimately fail. Bnext is doomed to be a superficial and hollow place where the only "discussions" that take place will be circle-jerks between like-minded individuals.
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So it will be just like every other forum on the internet.
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I fail to see how having a discussion is "malicious"
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[quote] the OP isn't really looking for real discussion and is just looking to be malicious to people of faith.[/quote] That's almost all of the Atheists here.
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Edited by Butters: 9/18/2013 5:26:16 AMEspecially Aporia or whatever their name is.
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Nothing said in the OP is malicious.
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How is this a troll thread? I presented my position in the first post and asked for the opinion and input of others.
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Edited by Donkey_Hotay: 8/12/2013 12:36:05 AMA troll thread? You have an odd definition of trolling. The OP is entirely unoffensive and is presented logically and calmly. No flaming, no absurd claims.
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I don't think it's a troll thread, but I also don't think it's 'unoffensive' as you claim.
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How is the OP offensive?
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Saying religion and science are not compatible is offensive because it implies theism is unintelligent.
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its not saying its unintelligent, just irrational.
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I think you're only interpreting it that way. It doesn't mean that religious folk are stupid or anything, it's just saying that faith-based religion is inherently unscientific.
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[quote] It doesn't mean that religious folk are stupid or anything[/quote] That's all you Atheists ever say.
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Not necessarily.
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No, he's right. Nothing in my OP is implying that religious people are stupid.
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I was responding to the part where he said, "faith based religion is inherently unscientific"
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wrong
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That's not wrong, either. Faith-based religion is inherently unscientific. If it were scientific in any form, it wouldn't be faith, it would be fact.
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I guess I assumed he was implying that that makes it incompatible with science. two-different things. But you understand that
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That's also true. If you accept something that is inherently unscientific, how do you reconcile that with supporting the scientific method?
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Take me for example. I follow the teachings of the Bible, yet it does not effect my ability to science... They don't necessarily conflict each other, in fact they [i]can[/i] compliment each other. That's like saying art is incompatible with science bc art is inherently unscientific.
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As a person of science, would you agree that a hypothesis needs to be testable and verifiable in order to be considered valid? If you can't test your hypothesis, you go back to the drawing board. Why does that not apply to your religion?
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Art's not inherently unscientific, though, (at least, not in the way religion is) because it doesn't make claims not based on empirical things. It doesn't actually make any claims at all.
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We've established that religion is not scientific(altho the bible is used as historical documentation), but that doesn't imply that they are incompatible. See what I'm getting at here? Just bc something isn't scientific, doesn't mean they are in direct conflict with each other... I believe in the Bible 100%, yet it does not make me inept to science. It actually motivates me to science :)
