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7/9/2013 9:01:40 PM
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You know what I hate about 343? They seem to think that they're amazing, go back on so many ideas, and get rid of things for no reason.
Mini Slayer is not a bug that they have embraced, it's a mod made by a member of the Seven Sins modding community and posted online, people would play it in customs and loved it and it became popular among modders. However, not many people outside of modders had played it and so 343 thought they'd take that game mode and claim it as their own, no credit to the fan who made it. Instead they claimed, and I quote
[i]"This mode has only been played by 343 staff and some lucky studio visitors"[/i]
Funny, what game-type was I playing for the past 5 months with the EXACT same name and gameplay? God knows because apparently this is brand new! Jesus 343...
Now fine, sure that's bad but how much worse can it get? OH I remember 343 stated that the race gametype would not be added to Halo 4 because it was unrealistic and did not fit into the spartan training program. YET MINI SLAYER DID? You're telling me that training how to be a great driver and avoiding obstacles is not good, realistic training yet somehow becoming tiny with huge weapons is? Jesus 343...
Then we have forge where they managed to take out countless great, helpful tools that improved forge and allowed great precision, and instead were replaced with the terrible magnet system that never even works. Powerups were removed and many other forge items that we were used to in the Halo games.
Campaign was lack luster, customs failed compared to Reach, and Spartan Ops was the same maps replayed and the story never made sense, you took over a certain place then the next episode you were back in the same place and it was taken over again, WTF happened between two missions that allowed us to lose these places? Firefight was removed, armour mainly sucked, and no theater mode for campaign.
HERE'S THE BEST PART! They're making us pay extra money for armour that was in almost every Halo game because they decided to not put it in for some reason.
343 FAILS. HALO 4 FAILS.
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Please tell me you're kidding. If they seriously took out race because it didn't fit in with their idea of canonical multiplayer, I will -blam!-ing shoot myself.
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I'm banned from Waypoint till 4927 cause they god mad at me.... ...of course I'm not mad that I got into Halo and ONLY BOUGHT AN XBOX FOR HALO 2/3 ... and subsequently have gotten SHAFTED by EVERYTHING m$ has touched w/Halo and forced Bungie to do with it... ...broken xboxs ...deceptive re: H4 release and content LE etc. & botched DLC release ...monotonous Campaign ...Halo canon DESTROYED, ...cortana dead ...MC face shown ...MP MM RUINED
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It's what they stated as their reason. I'll find a source for you tomorrow
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[quote]the fan who made it[/quote]Player scaling was not created by the fans. It may have been [i]used[/i] by the fans, but 343i are the ones who coded it and put it in the game engine. [quote]Funny, what game-type was I playing for the past 5 months with the EXACT same name and gameplay?[/quote]You were playing a game mode with the exact same settings? Same loadouts? Same Personal Ordnance? Same maps? Same weapons on those maps? Melee disabled but assassinations enabled? Or were you just playing a community-made game mode that happened to utilize [i]one[/i] player trait that later also appeared in the official Mini Slayer? Bloody hell, by your logic, Stockpile was a rip-off of CTF because they both had flags. [quote]OH I remember 343 stated that the race gametype would not be added to Halo 4 because it was unrealistic and did not fit into the spartan training program.[/quote]Sauce?
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Of course player scaling is a dev tool, it's a damn console command in every game ever. The point is they didn't make the gametype. Players glitched the gametype into having smaller player models and then 343i came out and said "lol here's our super secret gametype for 343i only!"
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Are you actually serious right now? By your logic, Bungie made Red vs Blue since THEY made Halo, the tool used to deliver RvB.
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Edited by Cobblestone: 7/10/2013 6:05:04 AMDo you really think that a machinima with 100% original writing and acting is an adequate comparison to a handful of modded game variants whose only distinguishing characteristic was part of the original bloody game to begin with, and was not fan-made or original in any way? Are you actually serious in making that comparison?
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THE POINT IS 343 / M$ WILL DO ANYTHING to make themselves NOT LOOK STUPID and TAKE YOUR MONEY. Inlcluding LIE.
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You're entirely free to attribute that attitude to them, but Mini Slayer is not evidence to support that attitude. They haven't lied about it. There are plenty of mistakes and even a few unmitigated disasters that 343i is responsible for, that you and others would be completely justified and right in calling out and commenting on. Mini Slayer isn't one of 'em, so there's no need for whole "343I STOLE THE THING THAT THEY THEMSELVES MADE" spiel that people have been shouting at the OP. :\
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someone needs a midol....
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Edited by cB557: 7/10/2013 1:53:13 AMThough for the record, there are some pretty awesome customs. Ice Breaker is as fun as Chasin' the Asians, (for those of you who don't know, awesome custom in Reach) they've remade Crash Up Derby and Jump Rope, AND NOW WE HAVE A VERSION OF CRASH UP DERBY ON A GODDAMN TITLING GRID AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE -blam!- ELSE YOU COULD WANT
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Crash up derby doesn't work like reach, half of the infection game types now don't work, speed halo doesn't work because of the physics on the warthog, duck hunt gone unless you mod, fat kid gone unless you mod, race gone unless you use king of the hill, etc...
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I thought the new Crash Up was pretty great! I think I actually like it better. You can still actually move around during the last bit without drving through a kill ball or into a man cannon. I'm pretty sure Darth is still working on the new version of Speed, and.... yeah, having to mod infection is bullshit. It's not terrible though. Seriously, there's some great new stuff! Just do what I do and get all you maps from THFE.
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If that part about Mini-Slayer is true then that is NOT okay. I just lost some respect for 343 there, as for the last part (psst, no one is "making" you do anything).
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[quote]If that part about Mini-Slayer is true then that is NOT okay.[/quote]It's bull. The modders literally wouldn't have been able to distribute game variants with rescaled player models if 343i hadn't put that feature in the engine in the first place. 343i clearly put player scaling there because they were hoping to be able to use it in the future.
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The mini slayer is true, i'm an avid lurker of the seven sins forum to see what cool new things they come up for in games and I remember when they made it, needless to say they were pretty mad when 343 claimed they came up with the game type. The last part, sure they're not MAKING us, but these pieces of armour (minus prefect) have been in Halo games for free as the base armour types for the past few games, the fact that they cost money is ridiculous. Paying for armour? Sure that's fine, some people will buy it, others will not it's up to them, but armour that everyone expects to be in the game regardless? It's them trying to get money for something they neglected
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Imagine if 343 praised the modding community, they don't want there game modded. They did come out and say "we won't ban you if you keep it offline and use the features in the game". If they praised the mod more people would rip the game apart, they should just be happy 343 say the gametype and added it to the multiplaerr experience.
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They said that it was fine to make modded game types, or anything that added to the game as long as you don't mod competitive multiplayer. If they don't want to endorse the modding community, they shouldn't use their game-types.
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the mod scaled the guns and spartans the gametype keeps normal sized weapons like the glitch did.
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The mod kept normal sized weapons too, I play it a lot, holograms are normal size, guns normal size, bodies glitch when you die. It's all the same
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Edited by Sean: 7/10/2013 12:14:38 AMIt was actually from a 7S user who used Horizon, as it was in that tool that first showed the height modifier. 343 is still a pretty awful company that they can't even be honest about something like that, it was from modders first, not 343.
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The mini slayer part was true.
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Well, 343i are idiots then.
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Agreed to certain levels.
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THANK YOU!
