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Edited by Gaara444:
3/21/2013 2:05:44 AM
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As long as the clones aren't treated the same as us then who cares. Clones of us aren't the same, their souls placement is different. Clones are inferior, They're just a biological machine. An artificial life created by the Lilim for our own needs and uses. As long as they're not treated as an actual human, there's no problems with cloning.
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You went all spiritual/religion-y in this thread. That don't fly with me on a scientific matter.
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Edited by Masque of Night: 3/21/2013 2:18:11 AMI actually agree with him in this situation. Whatever clones are created should be purely used as research subjects in experiments too dangerous for real humans, as test dummies for likely fatal situations, for their organs and blood, or for what other uses we should find. I'd be completely against treating such abominations as actual people, and hardly support the notion of cloning living beings at all.
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How are cloned individuals "abominations?" Where is the logic behind that labeling? What forces a cloned organism into a classification as intrinsically inferior to "natural" born humans? I see zero reasoning behind it.
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Spiritual reasons, hence why I won't argue about it. I'm just voicing my thoughts.
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Edited by Gaara444: 3/21/2013 2:14:01 AMTL;DR: Clones are inferior to their templates. As long as they're not treated the same as REAL humans, it doesn't matter if we use cloning.
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How are they inferior to their templates?
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Edited by Gaara444: 3/21/2013 2:19:40 AMBecause the template was the original. The template is a natural being. Clones of the template are inferior just by being artificial. The way the act and behave is exactly the same as the original cause they're just copies, unoriginal, that's what I mean when I say their Soul Placement is different. They're artificially created organic beings based off someone REAL, someone who isn't some copy/paste life form.
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Edited by Winy: 3/21/2013 2:23:13 AM"Unnatural" is a completely arbitrarily-determined concept that, for some reason, attempts to exclude human activities from nature, a futile proposition, if you ask me. What causes human actions to suddenly become "unnatural," when all other organisms, to some degree, effect their environment? Why do we set human impact independent of nature?
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Actions from a clone is "Unnatural" because they themselves aren't natural. Like I said they're artificial. They're no more natural than a compute or a car. They're artificial souls made to appear and behave like real life forms, They're nothing more than organic androids.
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Edited by Winy: 3/21/2013 2:29:40 AMYou missed the point. I keep asking why you're setting human actions aside from what you consider "natural." There's no reasoning behind it. How come when an ant colony creates an underground cave system, we consider it nature, but when humans build houses and cities, it becomes unnatural? Humans are natural animals, are they not? So, therefore, why would you not consider their actions or creations natural? Cars and computers are natural, they're just significantly impacted by human affairs.
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Because most of Humanity's affairs in this subject is Science, and the science we're discussing is something only we can do, which is why it's unnatural. You don't see dogs learning how to use iphones, or birds making roads. It's something that couldn't occur by itself. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate science. Science is what makes Lilim powerful. But the Science we're discussing couldn't be achieved without our disregard for doing things naturally.
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[quote]Because most of Humanity's affairs in this subject is Science, and the science we're discussing is something only we can do, which is why it's unnatural.[/quote] So you're implying that if an act is exclusive to one species, it is therefore unnatural? [quote]It's something that couldn't occur by itself.[/quote] Name one thing that [i]can[/i] occur "By itself."
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Nature can occur by itself.
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Okay, fair enough. That doesn't negate the point.
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[quote]souls placement[/quote] wut
