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AstroBiologists Find Ancient Fossils Inside Fireball Fragments. So... Aliens?

[quote]On 29 December 2012, a fireball lit up the early evening skies over the Sri Lankan province of Polonnaruwa. Hot, sparkling fragments of the fireball rained down across the countryside and witnesses reported the strong odour of tar or asphalt. Over the next few days, the local police gathered numerous examples of these stones and sent them to the Sri Lankan Medical Research Institute of the Ministry of Health in Colombo. After noticing curious features inside these stones, officials forwarded the samples to a team of astrobiologists at Cardiff University in the UK for further analysis. The results of these tests, which the Cardiff team reveal today, are extraordinary. They say the stones contain fossilised biological structures fused into the rock matrix and that their tests clearly rule out the possibility of terrestrial contamination. In total, the Jamie Wallis at Cardiff University and a few buddies received 628 stone fragments collected from rice fields in the region. However, they were able to clearly identify only three as possible meteorites. The general properties of these three stones immediately mark them out as unusual. One stone, for example, had a density of less than 1 gram per cubic centimetre, less than all known carbonaceous meteorites. It had a partially fused crust, good evidence of atmospheric heating, a carbon content of up to 4 per cent and contained an abundance of organic compounds with a high molecular weight, which is not unknown in meteorites. On this evidence, Wallis and co think the fireball was probably a small comet. The most startling claims, however, are based on electron microscope images of structures within the stones (see above). Wallis and co say that one image shows a complex, thick-walled, carbon-rich microfossil about 100 micrometres across that bares similarities with a group of largely extinct marine dinoflagellate algae. They say another image shows well-preserved flagella that are 2 micrometres in diameter and 100 micrometres long. By terrestrial standards, that’s extremely long and thin, which Wallis and co interpret as evidence of formation in a low-gravity, low-pressure environment. Wallis and co also measured the abundance of various elements in the samples to determine their origin. They say that low levels of nitrogen in particular rule out the possibility of contamination by modern organisms which would have a much higher nitrogen content. The fact that these samples are also buried within the rock matrix is further evidence, they say. Wallis and co are convinced that the lines of evidence they have gathered are powerful and persuasive. “This provides clear and convincing evidence that these obviously ancient remains of extinct marine algae found embedded in the Polonnaruwa meteorite are indigenous to the stones and not the result of post-arrival microbial contaminants,” they conclude. There’s no question that a claim of this kind is likely to generate controversy. Critics have already pointed out that the stones could have been formed by lightning strikes on Earth although Wallis and co counter by saying there was no evidence of lightning at the time of the fireball and that in any case, the stones do not bear the usual characteristics of this kind of strike. What’s more, the temperatures generated by lightning would have destroyed any biological content. Nevertheless, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and Wallis and co will need to make their samples and evidence available to the scientific community for further study before the claims will be taken seriously. If the paper is taken at face value, one obvious question that arises is where these samples came from. Wallis and co have their own ideas: “The presence of fossilized biological structures provides compelling evidence in support of the theory of cometary panspermia first proposed over thirty years ago,” they say. This is an idea put forward by Fred Hoyle and Chandra Wickramasinghe, the latter being a member of the team who has carried out this analysis. There are other explanations, of course. One is that the fireball was of terrestrial origin, a remnant of one of the many asteroid impacts in Earth’s history that that have ejected billions of tonnes of rock and water into space, presumably with biological material inside. Another is that the structures are not biological and have a different explanation. Either way, considerably more work will have to be done before the claims from this team can be broadly accepted. Exciting times ahead![/quote] Not proof, kinda sketchy, but interesting none the less. What do you think Community?

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  • Started a new topic: The discovery of aliens and religion(10 Replies))

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    • Didn't this happen in a Dan Brown novel?

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      • [quote] The microphotographs in the paper are pretty interesting, I’ll admit. As you can see from the one above, there really is something that appears to be biological in the picture, and to my untrained eye it really does look like a diatom. But I’m no expert! So I did what any good scientist should do. I contacted someone who is an expert. I sent an email with a link to the paper to Patrick Kociolek, a professor of ecology and evolutionary biology at the University of Colorado at Boulder, and director of the University of Colorado Museum of Natural History. He kindly replied, saying, I should say up front, that most (not all) of the forms pointed out in the paper are indeed diatoms. While the authors may have not referred to some of the images correctly (labeling one as “filamentous” when it is just a fragment of a cell), they are indeed diatoms. Huh! So they are diatoms! So does this mean life has been found in space? Not so fast. Kociolek continues: What is amazing about the forms illustrated is that 1) they are, for the most part, in great shape. There certainly is not any sign of this being fossilized material. A diatom An example of a known terrestrial diatom, called Rossithidium pusillum. The vertical line represent a size of 10 microns, one-tenth the diameter of a human hair. Image credit: Marina Potapova via Diatoms of the United States Uh oh. That’s a strike against Wickramasinghe, since a big part of his claim is that the diatoms are fossilized and therefore must be native to the rock they found. But it gets worse: In fact on page 8 of the journal, the authors indicate, “fossils [sic] diatoms were not present near the surface of the Earth to contaminate a new fall of meteorites.” What must have been near, however, was water, since the forms are all freshwater species… In other words, all the diatoms shown in the paper are from known species on Earth. That makes it somewhat less likely they are native to space. And by somewhat, I mean completely. Like, zero chance they are from space. Kociolek makes this even more clear: 2) the diversity present in the images represent a wide range of evolutionary history, such that the “source” of the diatoms from outer space, must have gone through the same evolutionary events as here on earth. There are no extinct taxa found, only ones we would find living today…for me it is a clear case of contamination with freshwater. I find it curious indeed that Wickramasinghe and his co-authors didn’t talk to diatom experts outisde their group about this. I can’t say anything about their own expertise on diatoms, except to note that, as Kociolek points out, they made some really basic errors in identification and didn’t recognize these specimens as Earth diatoms (they compare them to known species, but they should have gone out of their way to try to identify them specifically against known Earth species). That doesn’t speak very well for their scholarship here. So, there you go. These aren’t evidence of life from space, they’re evidence of life on Earth. I hate to break it to you, but we already knew about that. [/quote]

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      • inb4theyfindTheThingstrainandwe'reall-blam!-ed

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        • Oh, that's tight.

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          • Finding a flagellum is very exciting. For those who do not know, flagella are composed of this very precise arrangement of microtubules, which are themselves made up of alpha-beta tubulin dimers. Flagella indicate protein synthesis for a cell, which, obviously indicates life. Hopefully peer review will yield exciting confirmation.

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            • Where do the fireballs come from?

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              • Interesting. Not much that I can think of to say right now, but that is interesting.

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              • Edited by FGDSFGDFG: 3/11/2013 10:23:26 PM
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                • That would be so awesome if it's found to be true.

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                  • This is definitely one of those things that reminds me to not believe everything i read on the internet. It would be cool as hell if it's true, but we'll see. I feel like i would have heard about this somewhere before the flood if it were real.

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                  • I wonder how the more religious people would take confirmation of this?

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                    • Clefairys incoming.

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                    • Usually, these things are too good to be true, but I do hope there's some great knowledge the be collected from these samples. If this was anything significant, it'd be on the front page of /r/science, and it isn't.

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                    • Eh, doesn't seem to constitute as intelligent life.

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                      • Edited by Nescio: 3/11/2013 5:58:01 PM
                        [url=http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/01/15/life_in_a_meteorite_claims_by_n_c_wickramasinghe_of_diatoms_in_a_meteorite.html]That story was debunked a while ago.[/url] Well ... not really debunked, but it's highly improbable that those 'fossils' came from space. Here is a tl:dr for the article I linked: [quote]So we have a journal with an, um, unusual publishing record, a man who claims with little or no evidence that everything we see comes from space, a rock that is almost certainly from Earth and not space, and a bunch of diatoms inside it (the one claim they get right) that clearly evolved on Earth and are identifiable as native in fresh-water sites.[/quote] Edit: Oh, this is a followup study done by the same guys who wrote the original? I guess that they might be right, we'll have to wait until other scientist get the same results and come to the same conclusion. (they seem to have plenty of material to send away to other independent laboratories.)

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                      • I kind of hope this is true.

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                          If true, I would squeal with joy.

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