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3/7/2013 8:52:12 PM
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The actual problem with using drones in the USA.
Drones make policing too easy, and will make police excesses more common.
The CHP is considering using drones to police California's freeways. What this will mean is more tickets given out more frequently. Now, when you were pulled over before, the CHP Officer had to work a bit to get you, and give you the ticket. That means when a person was hauled in front of a judge, you could safely assume they were guilty. Now, they won't have to do anything. Just ID a speeding vehicle, zoom in and bam, ticket sent. They will have the same credibility as though they physically pulled you over. (at least for a while) So, say the detection software has a bug and 65mph reads as 72mph. You get a ticket and have a hard time fighting it.
That's one instance. Here's another, if the various police departments had a certain light filter, they could easily scan whole neighborhoods for the bleed-out of UV grow-lamps that pot growers use. Right now the only cost effective way is to drive around or use a helicopter. Driving isn't very efficient, and the helicopter is cost prohibitive. A drone could be use for other things, and get this done as almost a side job.
It may not seem like very bad things, but these two (there are more, just think about it some) can give way to much more police excesses. Their job shouldn't be easy. The hunt for evidence keeps them honest, and forces them to follow procedure. Those are good things.
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Drones are expensive. I would bet it's still cheaper to have policemen out there instead of drones.
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1 Reply[quote]Drones make policing too easy[/quote]You mean they will make it too easy for police to catch law breakers? How does "too easy" exist? Policing isn't an RPG. There is no gamerscore for playing through on hardest difficulty.
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1 ReplyEdited by Dropship dude: 3/7/2013 11:44:38 PMThe alternative to drones flying over motorways is an unpopular invention called the SPEED CAMERA.
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1 ReplyEdited by A Forum Cop: 3/8/2013 2:41:19 AMThe "if you aren't doing anything bad than you have nothig to hide" thing concerns me. What does the government consider 'bad'? Me and my friends are playing paintball in a remote field, will the government think we are terrorists in training?
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[quote] [b]Posted by:[/b] Comet I don't like the thought of drones flying around in my backyard. 'If you aren't doing anything bad you have no reason to hide', pffa, it is an invasion of privacy.[/quote]
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i dont like the thought of drones flying around in my backyard. 'if you arent doing anything bad you have no reason to hide', pffa, it is an invasion of privacy.
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Misreadings are a legitimate concern, but I don't see why there's any problem with punishing people who break the law. As for your light filter example, If I'm not mistaken, under current precedent that would constitute unlawful search except under a warrant.
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2 RepliesYes and my fifth amendment has some things to say about the use of them lethally.
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If you are committing a crime, you shouldn't bitch about your "rights" when you were doing a crime in the first -blam!-ing place.
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Wait, so I get the first problem. That's a legitamite concern (I'd just get a dash cam and have it watch my speed 24/7 so that I had evidence that I wasn't speeding.) The second concern is that they will help prevent people from breaking the law? As it is, you shouldn't be growing pot anyway, so this is a good thing for the time being. I can see how you could be concerned, but it makes a policeman's job easier which can be both good and bad.
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Big Brother is coming. I so called it.
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2 Replies*strokes beard of wisdom* Errrm... Breaking speed limits and growing pot are both against the law and deserve a lawful punishment, no matter how the police function or catch the perpetrator. For the speeding, there may be extenuating circumstances like hospital-related emergencies (being late for work does not count), but you should still get a warning at least. Yes, I understand your concern for police integrity but limiting the technology they use is not the way to go about ensuring honesty. They may become lazy but that is a call for better training, internal affairs systems and selection processes.
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Using millions of dollars of tax payers money to police some highways? Seems legit.
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agreed.
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I guess it's good that I drive the speed limit then. I can't drive still due to epilepsy but i should be able to in a few months. Can the drones detect a broken tail light? That will make the popos chase you.
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1 Reply[quote]The CHP is considering using drones to police California's freeways. What this will mean is more tickets given out more frequently. Now, when you were pulled over before, the CHP Officer had to work a bit to get you, and give you the ticket. That means when a person was hauled in front of a judge, you could safely assume they were guilty. Now, they won't have to do anything. Just ID a speeding vehicle, zoom in and bam, ticket sent. They will have the same credibility as though they physically pulled you over. (at least for a while) So, say the detection software has a bug and 65mph reads as 72mph. You get a ticket and have a hard time fighting it.[/quote]They can accomplish the same thing with speed trap cameras, but most places don't allow speeding tickets to be handed out that way. You have to actually be pulled over by a real officer in order to receive a speeding ticket.
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I agree. This is giving the government way too much power.
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I feel like the light filter for finding UV grow lamps inside peoples houses would definitely not be allowed under unreasonable searches and seizures.
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You make it seem like when a cop gives a person a speeding ticket that the fee is a reward for the cop for chasing down the offending driver......... but it's not about that at all. There is a lot of technology that makes policing "easy", like helicopters and forensic science, so should those technologies not be allowed as well? Baffling post.
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Because every Police department has the budget for said operations.
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1 Reply1. It's not that hard to write a traffic ticket. 2. Technical glitches can happen with the radar equipment used in squad cars. Technology fails. By that logic police should have to use physics and do it all by hand to determine if you're speeding. 3. There's no difference in using a drone to spot UV stuff as it is with a helicopter how is that even a point?
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3 RepliesI'm failing to see the problem.
