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originally posted in:Mjolnir Battle Tactics
Edited by SmartAlec13:
1/17/2013 3:45:09 AM
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Official League of Legends discussion thread
Thought we could have one, since more members of MBT are starting to play. You know how these things work.
For those that don't know or are interested, league of legends is a free online game where you fight in arenas on teams, trying to destroy the enemy base. Its that RTS-styled field of view, but your champion has skills. Its not an RPG, its not an RTS. Its fun. leagueoflegends.com
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtTvc_9BoGw] Epic Push in a 4v5 match by Me and Dan and Theo[/url]
[Edited on 01.14.2012 11:54 AM PST]
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Either way Dan, we -blam!-. You could play as another support player, and we still dominate.
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[url=http://imgur.com/a/9XUOn]Jayce Skins[/url] I might have to get that 2nd one... EDIT: Sorry, the first one is his default look. I guess he is only getting one skin, like most of the recent champs. Other upcoming skins: [url=http://i.imgur.com/tKsiK.jpg]Infernal Alistar[/url] [url=http://i.imgur.com/7FIYO.jpg]Glacial Malphite[/url] [url=http://i.imgur.com/zYCNQ.jpg]Augmented Singed[/url] [url=http://i.imgur.com/JeSut.jpg]Full Metal Jayce[/url] [url=http://imgur.com/a/rCpB1]In game models of all the new Skins[/url] EDIT2: For those that were wondering, Jayce gets his ult from the very start of the game. So, in theory, I can play him as AD range bot...(which I do plan to try) [Edited on 07.02.2012 11:53 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Quickstrike NC [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The Crow SMK So why is it that y'all say to go support masteries and use all that support nonsense when I could be using these OP spells at a much higher level? This really makes no sense to me at all. Y'all are holding me back. This must be a conspiracy against me and Dan. Trying to hold the bottom lane back because y'all can't keep up.[/quote] I don't think going full AP on a support player is reasonable. Sure, it can work, sometimes, but going full support is much more beneficial to the whole team. It always has been. [/quote] A lot of CD reduction items stack AP anyways. For example, as Sona, after acquiring Shurelya's, Heart of Gold, and some other CD stuff, it doesn't hurt to grab Rabadon's. [Edited on 07.02.2012 4:06 PM PDT]
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Jarvan support is really fun and actually works pretty well.
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Finally decided I was at a point with Ahri where I felt comfortable with trying smartcasting, as I feel I'm to a point where I know her in and out. And damn, it's good. Real good. Comboing off twice as fast is absurd, and I feel like it makes lane a MUCH easier thing to win than before since I can get everything off at such high speeds. You people need to get on and play with me!
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Because building AP may help your shield and your heals more powerful, but unless you have a large amount of income coming in (getting kills or lots of minion kills, which don't happen for supports), it will scale very slowly. The damage you will put out will be very minimal and the shields and the heals will not be much stronger than the base. Even when you do build AP, the items you build are very weak and do not help your abilities as much as they could. If you go AP, go all out. Get a deathcap as your second or third item. Otherwise it's not worth it. You either go full support or full ap. Never in between. The benefits of going full support is giving the team extra auras and utility. Support masteries give you shorter cool downs on summoner spells and abilities. Getting items like sherylias reverie and randuins omen give you activation spells that benefit the whole team. Aura items like frozen heart, aegis of the legion, and will of the ancients give the whole team useful bonuses. All of these items are cheaper and easier to obtain when using gold per ten items and not farming. It makes getting wards a lot More reasonable too. Going full support is definitely more reasonable and is overall more useful to the team.
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That still doesn't make sense to me. The support mastery gives me mana and armor. That's about it. If I went AP, I could give stronger shields and heals. While I am building my character, I will still buy wards and other items that a support would buy. Someone needs to explain how the support mastery is superior to the AP mastery.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Quickstrike NC [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The Crow SMK So why is it that y'all say to go support masteries and use all that support nonsense when I could be using these OP spells at a much higher level? This really makes no sense to me at all. Y'all are holding me back. This must be a conspiracy against me and Dan. Trying to hold the bottom lane back because y'all can't keep up.[/quote] I don't think going full AP on a support player is reasonable. Sure, it can work, sometimes, but going full support is much more beneficial to the whole team. It always has been. [/quote] What are you going to do with something like 6% damage increase or armor pen? You aren't supposed to be doing much damage with a support; you get off potshots when you can, but your main job is to keep the carries up. Think of the system most MMOs have: there is a tank, multiple DPS players, and a healer or two. The tank eats the damage from the enemies, the dps players concentrate on doing as much damage as possible, and the healer keeps everyone up. You are the healer, Suns/Theo are the tank depending on champs, and Dan and I are the DPS. Ideally, our front line (Suns/Theo) tie the other team up in combat and keep them from us other three, while Dan and I pour out damage from the edges. You keep Theo/Suns up, and if Dan or I start getting smacked around, you keep us up. Support masteries help increase your healing, give CDR, increase your mana pool, and tons of other things that let you do your role better.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The Crow SMK So why is it that y'all say to go support masteries and use all that support nonsense when I could be using these OP spells at a much higher level? This really makes no sense to me at all. Y'all are holding me back. This must be a conspiracy against me and Dan. Trying to hold the bottom lane back because y'all can't keep up.[/quote] I don't think going full AP on a support player is reasonable. Sure, it can work, sometimes, but going full support is much more beneficial to the whole team. It always has been.
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I ain't say nothin', do you.
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So why is it that y'all say to go support masteries and use all that support nonsense when I could be using these OP spells at a much higher level? This really makes no sense to me at all. Y'all are holding me back. This must be a conspiracy against me and Dan. Trying to hold the bottom lane back because y'all can't keep up.
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Havent had a chance to get on much, sorry guys. Soraka is great btw. I do sometimes get the "useless" feeling, which is why I only play her when I know my team wont completely suck. But if you go AP-ish on her, your Ult + Summoner Heal + Heal does a -blam!- ton of healing, and giving your AD/AP carries a whole new HP bar is a pretty great thing.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The Crow SMK I can understand if the 4 of y'all use it. But for someone like me who isn't a damage dealer and well armored, what the hell am I going to do? [/quote] Because you follow me wherever I go. <3
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I can understand if the 4 of y'all use it. But for someone like me who isn't a damage dealer and well armored, what the hell am I going to do?
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Still don't like the teleport strat..
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The Crow SMK [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Vishra So we need to try the 5 teleport strat tonight. If any of you have seen Oddones streams, they did a comp where everyone took teleport over flash. The idea is to place a ward behind the enemy laners, and be able to gank that way. If someone on the team is being ganked, teleport lets you immediately make it a team fight. People teleport in 2-person shifts, mid and jungler and duo-bot most often it seems. I think its actually a fairly viable strat, and unless the opponent is buying vision wards and oracles constantly, its hard to stop a team from becoming five Shens.[/quote] Never ever again feed Morde like that.[/quote] Fixed.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Vishra So we need to try the 5 teleport strat tonight. If any of you have seen Oddones streams, they did a comp where everyone took teleport over flash. The idea is to place a ward behind the enemy laners, and be able to gank that way. If someone on the team is being ganked, teleport lets you immediately make it a team fight. People teleport in 2-person shifts, mid and jungler and duo-bot most often it seems. I think its actually a fairly viable strat, and unless the opponent is buying vision wards and oracles constantly, its hard to stop a team from becoming five Shens.[/quote] Never ever again.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Quickstrike NC People in lame should always have wards to defend against ganks. I'm typically the jungler, so I don't have much warding responsibilities, though, I do usually use my wriggles ward for dragon or for warding their jungle. If I'm getting counter jungled, I'll often ward my own jungle. Gavin, late game, most of us have full builds and cannot have a slot for wards as it would set us back badly. There's always a debate on whether or not supports should take a sixth and final item or keep it for ward slots. It really depends on the game and the judgement of the player. But there's no doubt. Sight wins games.[/quote] That. I try to help as much as I can, because every lane player does have a responsibility to help out with warding. I usually buy between 5 and 10 wards a game. But lategame when I'm full build, or need that 6th slot for a piece of an item, I'm not going to sacrifice damage or survivability for a ward slot. No offense, but supports are going to be farther back in a fight, and they usually shouldnt need that power/health. So yes, we'll all help with ward placement, but just be aware that the later the game goes, the more it's going to ride on you for wards. So we need to try the 5 teleport strat tonight. If any of you have seen Oddones streams, they did a comp where everyone took teleport over flash. The idea is to place a ward behind the enemy laners, and be able to gank that way. If someone on the team is being ganked, teleport lets you immediately make it a team fight. People teleport in 2-person shifts, mid and jungler and duo-bot most often it seems. I think its actually a fairly viable strat, and unless the opponent is buying vision wards and oracles constantly, its hard to stop a team from becoming five Shens.
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People in lame should always have wards to defend against ganks. I'm typically the jungler, so I don't have much warding responsibilities, though, I do usually use my wriggles ward for dragon or for warding their jungle. If I'm getting counter jungled, I'll often ward my own jungle. Gavin, late game, most of us have full builds and cannot have a slot for wards as it would set us back badly. There's always a debate on whether or not supports should take a sixth and final item or keep it for ward slots. It really depends on the game and the judgement of the player. But there's no doubt. Sight wins games.
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Also guys, please please please help me out more with wards. I think I am getting better at placing wards, using CV, and anti-warding. But it feels like only one or two of you will be placing wards especially in the late game. I know it's my job. I'm well aware of it. But it really sets me back big time when I am trying to get builds that keep me alive and on the field longer. Plus the vision wards are for your benefit as well. Prevent ganks and dominate the field at all times with eyes on.
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Better day with Soraka. And it doesn't seem to throw off my game with Janna. I'm gonna be honest y'all. If they don't ban Janna, I am taking her, regardless.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DanTheMan8987 JUST BOUGHT PULSEFIRE EZREAL. GET ON MY LEVEL. [/quote] OH MA GAWD
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JUST BOUGHT PULSEFIRE EZREAL. GET ON MY LEVEL.
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Win streak currently at 8 in a row...
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[url=http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=26291068#post26291068]Leblanc getting a buff/tweak[/url] "We have a buff/tweak to her this patch that should raise her skill cap quite a bit and allow her to pull off awesome things time to time It's not going to change her damage output but makes her more... 'deceivery'"
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You did well with Kayle. However, that said, don't give up on Soraka. Youre still learning her, and she is a very powerful support. If played correctly, she and the AD Carry can dominate bot with little resistance. It is very hard to push that combo out of lane. If you want to try and learn another team support like Janna is, try Sona. I haven't seen you play her yet. I find her to be very fun and useful to the whole team. And she can stun a whole team which is super effective in team fights. She also has a slow with her power chords. I think her CC is in line with Janna's, though the support with the most CC is Alistar. You should definitely try him too.
