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1/1/2026 4:04:24 AM
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Why Do You Keep Shoving PvP Into PvE Content?
I am someone who truly hates PvP.
It annoys me, frustrates me, and I find it disgusting.
I am very aware that I am bad at the game, and that is exactly why I am certain that PvP is not something I can improve at just by trying harder.
Maybe if I changed my mindset and put in the effort, I could improve to some degree.
But I cannot endure that process.
Absolutely.
As one example, during the The Last Word quest, there was a PvP objective.
It was a quest where your progress increased when you killed players and decreased when you died.
When I tried to do it during the day, there were so many skilled players in Crucible matches that I kept dying nonstop, and the quest would not progress at all.
I became so angry at that time that I actually smashed my keyboard and monitor.
Eventually, it got to the point where I would wake up in the middle of the night and play during hours when many people were AFK.
I probably did that for more than two weeks.
Now, seeing the invasion system added in the current Episode: Resistence, I am writing this out of anger.
I am also sick and tired of being killed by an invader and then getting spawn-killed immediately afterward.
Why do you keep forcing this dogshit, filthy, disgusting PvP into PvE and deliberately making players angry?
I hate PvP.
I do not want to do it.
I genuinely despise PvP.
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2 RepliesEdited by xbroggiex: 1/1/2026 5:28:37 PMInvasion feels like a tacked on system that was poorly thought out, hence why you get double crosses. It just feels like its there to justify the activity not being just "another seasonal activity". Invasion could be removed and nothing would really change since it doesn't even affect much. Honestly it just shows how little care Bungie has that a system that is little more than an inconvenience is still added even in such a minor state because they just don't give a crap about Destiny. PvP has been dead in this game for ages because of poor balancing decisions and just general lack of content, and now they are putting out a mainly PvP loot game with Marathon which honestly is just laughable atp. Supposedly we might get combined arms back but its just too little too late.
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6 RepliesEdited by ForeverLaxx: 1/1/2026 11:45:46 PMImagine hating dying to another player so fervently that even the Lawless Frontier invasions that are barely a speedbump cause you to vibrate in so much rage that you register on the Richter scale. This is barely PvP, my guy. The guy spawns in, you get 3 [b][i]bonus revives[/i][/b] so if you die it doesn't impact your revive count (he only has to get three kills to leave), and if he happens to die 3 times before he can do that, those are just extra revives for the rest of the mission. At times I wonder what it's like to be inside the head of someone who hates PvP as much as people like you do, but then I remember I have enough problems in my own mind and don't need to add your level of psychosis to it. EDIT: even better, since this complaint is about the Renegade invasions specifically, you don't even have to do them. Just change the difficulty to Expert if you're that concerned about finishing Priority contracts as I've read that Expert level doesn't have invasions.
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6 RepliesOP: There's no shame in not liking PvP or not being very good at it. This bravado and mindset all stems from crucible modes, and many players have asked for it to be completely separated over the years. Imagine the outcry if PvP only players were expected to do raids or dungeons? I guess the reason they force as many players as possible into PvP is that so many have left the game, it's difficult to find enough players to form matches.
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1 ReplyInvasions are purely optional. If you didn't want to do the Last Word quest, why did you do it at all?
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1 ReplyI agree with you… this is not a good PvP game! PvP definitely shouldn’t be forced…
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I'm guessing it's just Bungie testing features to put in Marathon.
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Last Word is a pvp weapon. Yeah it's gonna require pvp to get.
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I personally like PvP, and it’s totally fine you don’t. However, the Last Word quest is a weird point to bring up. It’s a PvP weapon.
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I’m pretty much the same but with the guns, I really want to do some builds but some of them require I go into PvP or trials and I’m like hahah no.
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2 RepliesPvP is a crap fest ! Pretty much the 24/7 er’s now left . Martel 🙄
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Honestly being invaded and killed has little to no bearing on the outcome of that encounter. It's just an inconvenience.
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3 RepliesWhy does it need to be one way or the other? What about players that LIKE a mix? Divorcing the two would alienate that group, no?
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3 RepliesThere are multiple zones every day that don't have invasions activite btw. But anyway, the "pvp" in renegades is literally as minimal as it gets. There's only 1 invasion per game. And when they get their kills or die enough timesz they're done. Even if they wipe you're team, it's not going to take enough lives away to put you at risk of not completing the activity. It literally means nothing if you die, it doesn't affect your score or loot in anyway.
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5 Replies"Why are you forcing me to play the game!!!!!!?!?!??"
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I mean, don’t use the invasion node or the contested node either. Regarding the sentiment of the post, I understand it at least.
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[quote]I am someone who truly hates PvP. It annoys me, frustrates me, and I find it disgusting. I am very aware that I am bad at the game, and that is exactly why I am certain that PvP is not something I can improve at just by trying harder. Maybe if I changed my mindset and put in the effort, I could improve to some degree. But I cannot endure that process. Absolutely. As one example, during the The Last Word quest, there was a PvP objective. It was a quest where your progress increased when you killed players and decreased when you died. When I tried to do it during the day, there were so many skilled players in Crucible matches that I kept dying nonstop, and the quest would not progress at all. I became so angry at that time that I actually smashed my keyboard and monitor. Eventually, it got to the point where I would wake up in the middle of the night and play during hours when many people were AFK. I probably did that for more than two weeks. Now, seeing the invasion system added in the current Episode: Resistence, I am writing this out of anger. I am also sick and tired of being killed by an invader and then getting spawn-killed immediately afterward. Why do you keep forcing this dogshit, filthy, disgusting PvP into PvE and deliberately making players angry? I hate PvP. I do not want to do it. I genuinely despise PvP.[/quote] PvP is bad. Best way is to use that dark side hate and us whatever outliers are active. To get what you want then stop. It's kinda how this game is built.
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When selecting mission choose Expert level and there is no Invasions. 100% no PvP required to complete any mission.
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[quote]Now, seeing the invasion system added in the current Episode: Resistence, I am writing this out of anger. I am also sick and tired of being killed by an invader and then getting spawn-killed immediately afterward. [/quote] Why are you picking invadable zones?
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U do know U can choose to play in a invaded one or a non invaded one?
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7 RepliesWhile I do believe a PVP newbie should have a protection buff in "learning mode" in Control... it sounds like you think you can enter Trials and Comp and expect to get better. Those competitive modes.. invasions whether its Gambit or Renegades are not places to learn.. is not you committing to get better at all... and you are literally cutting yourself off from fully enjoying the game. So stop your whining, and self-deprecating manner, you calling of other peoples fun > disgusting (this an extremely bad habit)... and get better by actually setting yourself up for success... or choose another game. Cause PVP is coming for you.
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47 RepliesThe best part is how if you just used a small amount brain power you would have figured out how to just select the mode that doesn't have invasions on and avoid it all together. You, however, made the choice to just whine on a public forum about how you were forced to play something in a videogame that no one is forcing you to play.
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People sure are salty about these invasions. It’s such a simple mechanic. If you are such a baby about it just watch your radar and run and hide and let your teammates deal with it.
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The heros journey.
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OP: I remember the Thorn quest in D1…it was brutal, especially for a 0.3% old tortoise, like me. I also remember the TLW quest, too…Mountaintop / Revoker / Luna’s Howl / NF / Izanagi (sp?!) / etc…etc. None of them were easy…but they were doable! Easy for ninjas…not so for the likes of me. And yet, I got ‘em all…not flexing…just saying! If you’re having rage issues chasing something ‘in game’ - maybe you should reconsider your options!? 🤔 Not preaching…we’ve all been ready to twist our controller into a pasta spiral at some stage or another…😵💫…take a break…relax…that’s the best way to overcome such issues! 👈 If you’re need some help, just ask…there’s a shed load of excellent Guardians around who will help! ITMT… Ease Springs! 🖖👻 Mtfy
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eeriearcadeAlright, alright, alright. - old
Happy new year! I’ve got great news for you - you don’t have to play any PvP in this game. All the PvE content is there for you to play, without touching PvP and without touching invasions. In TLF, only the yellow border icons are invadable, but you can still lower the difficulty to Expert to make it PvE only (and still complete priority contracts). I actually think Bungie did a great job of giving people options for playing TLF how they want to (but they could have communicated those options more clearly). If you choose to chase specific rewards from PvP, that’s on you.
