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4/22/2024 7:52:04 PM
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Controverse Holds Still Viable??

Pulled it from my collections because I can't get a good roll to drop, I can still rock 100 resilience and 100 discipline with my current gear, but the collection roll is only like 50 stats or less. Regardless of anything, I'm trying it out in Onslaught and it's really fun to use, it was nerfed HARD, doesn't surprise me. But I can still get some insane grenade regeneration, and the grenades when used with chaos accelerant (vortex) do some insane damage with the weakening fragment (-20 discipline). I also understand Briarbinds exists BUT it's very hard to use, and a massive risk in end game to 'collect' your void soul. I personally HATE them. Controverse holds are just superior, despite the nerf. It gives you 100% uptime with devour meaning you pretty much never die, the weakening effect with the fragments make it so mobs, champions are.... Well.. weakened lol. You can clear waves of ads, and do some insane boss DPS, I pair with cataclysm so the super does some immense damage + 2 stacks of ashes to assets, you can get your super back in less than 2 minutes maybe less. Infinite grenades, infinite supers, weaken, devour, healing. I genuinely love void lock. Sorry Briarbinds, but I'm not going to collect you when I'm surrounded by 100 enemies. As for exotics, I use Witherhoard since it's great for devour/ad clear, paired with my recluse with repulsor brace + destabilizing rounds so any weaken you get an overshield and constant volatile rounds. People think of nerfs as 'I 'll never use it again'. And use something else. Starfire was nerfed into the ground but still amazing. Maybe I'm overreacting and maybe in a GM I'll get destroyed but currently I feel it's still as strong as pre nerf.
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  • On Warlock, I find that it's best used on travelers chosen so you can spam nades and volatile rounds. It's really a class that wants to do damage with your gun and nades with crazy cooldowns so you would have to play cover for your life even on triple 100 setup. You would get supers with ashes to assets sure but it's not Dire Ahamkara level amount of supers. Make your grenade do the most and spray volatile rounds and rinse the cooldowns. Stay in your rift for protection as well. You may have devour but at legend or higher you will get destroyed easily if caught in the wrong place or time. Just my two cents.

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    If chaos accelerant wasn’t a dump aspect, it would be pretty alright. Briarbinds are way better at the moment. I’d recommend staying away from chaos accelerant and using feed the void the void soul until it gets a substantial rework tbh. You can spam grenades just as fast using briarbinds and devour anyways

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  • I was a contraverse hold main for a long time. I dont use them anymore. I use Nezarecs Sin instead with voidsoul instead of chaos accelerant. I find that I have almost as much grenade uptime, far more super, and more weaken from voidsoul/rift. The catch is that you need to use void weapons. The main benefit of chaos accelerant is the size of the vortex and duration is slightly extended. If there are no adds in a solo boss battle, then contraverse is a better option. Otherwise, I think Nezarec is. Especially in Onslaught, where there are loads of adds. Much of the grenade recharge comes from devour now, so feed the void is essential on any void grenade class. But, with the reduction of increased damage on the chaos accelerant, reduction of grenade energy from contraverse (max 50% now), and time it takes to charge a grenade, I find it to be less effective. In the past, I used to use contraverse with a demo/adrenaline junky weapon, so my grenade charge/throw would reload my weapon, and the kill with grenade provide 33% increased damage. For many seasons I could run GM's without needing to manually reload some weapons. But, now thats not the case anymore and part of the reason why I moved away from contraverse and went a different path. In all honesty, try Nezarecs Sin with Graviton Lance, volitile rounds on grenade kill, and keep the weaken fragment on. Its a strong solo build and can be paired with a lot of good legendary specials in the top slot and power slot. I typically like to use auto loading/reconstruction so that I only need to manually reload Graviton. Graviton also feeds the super meter faster than a legendary primary because its an exotic, so landing crits will give you a good chunk of super energy. If you dont like Graviton Lance, try Le Monarch. Graviton works better for mobs (picking off the lower tier and working your way up), where Le Monarch is better to target the beefier enemy (with crits) and let the poison damage hurt the mobs around them. Volatile rounds on both work really well. Especially with the damage Le Monarch puts out, it procs basically every shot if you get the perfect draw shots.

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  • Short answer. Yes Contralock is still viable.

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  • Edited by eliteg: 4/24/2024 1:32:55 AM
    can confirm contraverse hold > totally viable at least in regular 50 wave onslaught 1st time user, using OP advice and all the sage replies in this thread (good stuff, thx) > tested in a few 10s and cleared a bunch of regular 50s Onslaught, even had 1 10 tormentor final boss extra round, felt unkillable.. just mindful of nade placement. > tusk/gravition/retrofit and witherhoard/title/retrofit.. ...gonna see how it does without the weakening fragment because I try to not use the negative fragments .. I have def used nezarec's sin with ease too but was interesting to see this one in action.

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  • They now tune everything to be used only when in season in short play our way. The seasonal mods define gameplay as they have nerfed everything to be inline with using when the artifact mods buff what it does any other time the exotics just have little impact on gameplay

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  • It’s alright, overcharged grenades have fallen from grace. Ive been using the newer exotic, the one that powers up the void buddy and you can pick it up as long as you want. That exotic is slept on, being able to debuff enemies while charging up all my abilities all at once is extremely good on both pve and pvp. You can also just use nezarecs sin which is also a top tier exotic. Contraverse is just meh, overcharging grenades take forever, the armor you get from using the exotic is useless, getting grenades back means nothing when you can just use the other 2 exotics I mentioned. If hand held grenades could still one shot then contraverse would have a use again.

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    • Literally just made a voidlock build before signing off last, with the briarbonds gauntlets. Have yet to test it out! But by the looks of it have devour up a lot and using a recluse with destabilising rounds and repulser brace and a mountain top with demolisher and adrenaline Junkie! Hoping it works well!

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    • Contraverse Holds is still my go-to build for Voidlock in PvE after all these years, Vortex Grenades are just so strong and a defining part of the Void subclass for me, it's always weird not having that uptime when I am running something else like Briarbinds.

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      Briarbinds are the best void warlock exotic. Not even close. I use them in both PvE and PvP. They slap.

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    • Edited by The Hermit IX: 4/23/2024 2:37:17 AM
      I use Briar Binds over it these days but it’s still good. It’s excellent once you get used to grabbing your void buddy. Feeding into your rift and you can litter a battle field with them if you want to stay stationary. Graviton Lance is excellent with Void builds in Onslaught.

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        • Can’t you use an engram at rahool and focus a decent pair ?

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          • If you don't want to gamble on trying to get a good roll via focusing and if you haven't already done it, Ikora has a quest that came put with lightfall. Each class gets an exotic armour piece based on the 3 light subclasses The void quest for warlocks awards a roll that's actually ok and much better than the collection version.

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          • i use an Edge Transit GL with Chain Reaction, Destabilizing Rounds, and Indomitability that I think is doing a good job; but if there are other suggestions I'd like to hear/read. I should put Witherhoard in my inventory, good call!

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            • Edited by THE GRIND IS REAL: 4/22/2024 8:25:44 PM
              Also they have one of the best ornaments, they are still decent but I do miss the og of days of controverse holds ,replusor brace is a must aswel Edit what ruined controverse holds was the nerf to the fragment that made vortex grenades last longer when the reduced the time they lasted which made them harder to use or be viable for endgame content

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            • Edited by eliteg: 4/22/2024 7:59:19 PM
              Thanks for describing in such detail - I will try it out. (have a 64 contraverse with a 31 recovery spike)

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