Honesty, from me a person who is not interested in adept trials weapons The adepts from trials are overhyped Coming from someone who has done vog master (which I do find more worth cause of the locked rolls) I hate how your effort can lead to rewards being worse then a regular god roll Plus I just really don’t find the idea of pvp stuff being treated as such, not cause of of jealousy or anything, it’s honestly just makes the game mode less appealing to me, since imagine being told “hey see that gun you have, look at this ADEPT version of it” meaning your effort feels worse and useless, but this could just be a me issue

because most destiny players want everything handed to them. They don't want to grind and get better.

Players want to feel rewarded for their time. With Trials, you feel like you accomplished something when you go Flawless. The Adept weapons represent going Flawless. It's not about how good or bad the Adept weapon is (though, in some cases, it is better due to the mods), it's about players feeling rewarded for their time. Although you didn't ask, my recommendation is to change Trials from an either / or system to a tiered system. You achieve different Flawless tiers by winning a certain number of games in a row, 3, 5, 7, and 9 wins. You could give the Adept weapon at 5 wins, and then include additional perks at 7 and 9. The details don't really matter - the point is that this method solves the issue with Trials: That ALL players need to feel rewarded (and it doesn't compromise on the goal of Trials, which is to reward "skill")

Because people don’t want to use an inferior product when a superior one exists. Players that make this claim about wanting easier/free adepts due to better players. Better players have adept weapons so they create this fallacy that they died not due to their lack of skill but because said weapon is adept therefore better and that is what they use to justify said death.

Its weird. Adepts dont really do much. But if you are looking to min-max yes, Adepts go a long way. But if your casual there is absolutely nothing wrong with regular weapons as long as you stay up on build crafting.

It is slightly better and because of that, people want it just handed to them. The idea that doing really well at the game should reward the best items is not comprehensible to them.

I think adpets are much harder to get from trials than GMS or master raids and should be made more accessible in trials to match. But it would be naive to think that's what would save trials. Its very frustrating to lose a million matches in a row. Someone who has never gone flawless shouldn't be facing someone who has it gilded every season. These needs to be some level of skill based matchmaking or some other mechanic to prevent matchups where one team would be lucky to even get a kill between them. Rep gains start out slow and cap very low. Even if double XP weeks it takes like 5 matches to get enough rounds won to get a non-negligable amount of XP from a match and even when I have the 20 wins it still feels slower than a regular week in strikes, crucible, or gambit. There needs to be at least 100 XP from every loss (100 games to reset) and a max of maybe 400 XP from a match won with 20 rounds on the card (25 wins for a reset) I don't care about the loot that drops at the end of a match most of the time. Armor stats aren't great and a lot of the weapons aren't copies of the one I'm trying to farm. To solve this problem reward structure could be. Losses have a 50% chance to drop a random weapon with a 25% chance to have double perks in column 2 and a 20% chance to drop a focusable engram. Wins will always drop a weapon or armor piece with at least 63 stats and a rotating weekly focus on a specific stat. Weapons have a 33% chance in each of their columns to have double perks. Wins also have a 50% chance to drop a focusable engram. Now for adepts... Completing any card unlocks a new one: Passage of Progress. This card can be completed once per week and requires 14 wins to complete. It will reward the weekly adept when completed and unlock adept focusing for the week (still requires 7 win card) adepts from any source will always roll with 2 perks in both columns. As the final reward for the second reset of a season you will be able to complete a one time additional passage of progress. No matter how anyone feels about it, the health of trials will always be tied to how willing people are to be fodder. If people are getting stomped and not getting enough rewards they will leave and find another gun that works in their build. If people are rewarded and anyone can farm adepts (even if it takes a very long time to get 14 wins) they will stay in the playlist and naturally improve the longer they're in there.

I know right Saint hands out Trials armor and weapons like candy , especially on double xp weekend Compare that to the dark ages when you had to make a suicide pact with 2 lfgs just to get 3 rolls a weekend, that's how I got my Outlaw/Desperado messenger People always want more , if they got adepts on a non-flawless card, they would complain they only got one If we had 10 mercies , they would still complain

Participation trophy generation. They want stuff, so they turn their want into a need, and then they "feel," like they deserve it just because they want it. It's hilarious. Sad, pathetic, but funny in a way.

It’s a similar mentality as valuing a gilded title over a none gilded title. In “real world” application they are not necessarily better than the regular version but because there is a “ultimate” version anything below that is automatically devalued.

I couldn't really care less, as long as giving adept weapons made it so the gameplay was more natural. As far as other people, the evidence is there that people simply do not accept being given anything less than basically the same as people that know what they're doing. So instead of turning the game inside out to give people adepts it should just give them to people in a logical way that actually works the way peoples' brains are working. Then you end up with less surprises.

The reality is they don’t know the difference because of a gap in there brain They just see adept better I deserves that for free and complain about it

Mainly for the flex. Being 2% better. And for the adept mods. Alittle extra bit in weapon stats helps.

[quote]This is asked mostly as a trials player who sees most "fix trials by giving easier adepts" posts. I want to know why you are so fixated on adepts when the reg versions are nearly as good. What is the difference to you, really? Anyone else who feels they have insight is free to weigh in, of course[/quote] Those types of players do not like there being loot that they cannot obtain. Adepts offer a small advantage over normal weapons, but are mostly a trophy type reward. Even if they were exactly the same with the minor cosmetic and name difference, there would still be those consoling about being unable to obtain them. A lot of their value and desirability come from them being rarer and less accessible. The problem these people ignore is that making them more common defeats the point and the appeal of the weapons.