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Edited by Sturm with no Drang:
1/31/2023 1:52:15 PM
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I think a lot of folks don’t account for the idea that Savathûn would have planned for a contingency or two in the case of if she did lose.
When you think about it, it definitely would fit her to a T.
She ousted the Factions from the city while also using Quria as a front to cover for her guise as Osiris, more than likely because she was still in the need of feeding her Worm. In that sense, she did still help us albeit in non-straightforward manner.
She even planned for her own resurrection via Traveler, leaving a proverbial bread crumb path for us to follow just so she could use it to remember.
[spoiler]Though what surprised me was that she was somewhat aware of her own capability of being Light resurrected in spite of also being oblivious to how the Worm Familiar and Rhulk/Witness tricked her and her sisters out of it before what happened on Fundament happened. I’d wager that it’s just the writing not adding up, but they probably were going for the angle that Sav already knew to some degree that the Hive were being exploited by the Witness, hence why she deceived them in the past.[/spoiler]
Add to this that she apparently knew about Neomuna when Osiris says he saw them through visions via Sav’s memories and it’s kinda pointing in this direction that she may as well have planned ahead for not only her plan to seal away the Traveler possibly failing, but that we’d also find the means to recover Osiris from his stupor.
When a majority of your life has revolved around being distrustful, lying, manipulating others and all while keeping up this image of not being allied to any one particular side, I imagine it would stick enough that it’d be hard to break habit.
The biggest underlying issue to all of this is whether or not this was planned pre-resurrected Savathûn or after, when she would have lost her prior memories.
Did she already know about the Worm Familiar and kept it in that temple knowing we would track it down and use it against herself, therefore proving she was conspiring against herself to fail in sealing the Traveler?
If even we had the means of learning what the Familiar knew, who’s to say Sav didn’t?
The only reasoning that would drive her indirectly helping us is basically Sword Logic, that in by putting us in a confrontation against her and succeeding that it would make us all the stronger to some degree, and that’s still pretty Hive-y enough to fall in line with the mindset.
After all, we did kill Oryx and that alone has enough merit to warrant some attention.
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This is a really good theory, and I want to add on to this. Maybe she did all of that because of Rhulk. We all know Rhulk was the first disciple. He has the most worth in the Witness’s eyes. He stuck with the witness since his beginning as a disciple. Savathun sealed him, and notice I said sealed. He was sealed in his ship and was locked out of the throne world. He is a capital P power, strong enough to control the scorn in pursuit of the witness’s agenda. Savathun deliberately gave us the worm familiar, which was weird, as you said. Never wondered why that memory was there. If Savathun sabotaged herself, then the answer to that may lie with Rhulk. Think about it. If Rhulk is out of the way, that gives Calus an opening. Why would the Witness need Calus as a disciple? He’s a literal idiot who is so gullible that he can’t even see he’s killing himself. So, why choose calus as a disciple? POWER VACUUM. There’s a power vacuum and it needs to be filled. Why? Because Rhulk is dead. The Witness’s most trusted disciple, who has never failed him, is dead. So maybe the whole point of Savathun’s deception wasn’t really to seal the traveler away. It was to really hurt the darkness forces so badly by killing Rhulk because with Rhulk dead, a power vacuum is made and Calus fills it up. Maybe she wanted us to become stronger because of it. Throughout all of those seasons, we see Savathun as a villain, but her motives are always hidden so well. And it lies around that worm familiar because once again, it makes no sense that she would put it there. REMEMBER that she knows everything that goes on in her throne world. She had to have known we would go there. And she let us.
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Plus, there is the added bonus that Mars came back for almost no reason, but that relic on mars was discovered which could shape weapons. Starting to think Savathun did that, since the witness had no motive to do that. In that, I would say that therefore, she had an ulterior motive the whole time, and planned ahead by YEARS for this. Starting from Witch Queen.
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Quick note I though I’d add, because to me it really adds to the story Witch Queen was telling. Savathûn DIDN’T KNOW she would be resurrected by the Traveler. She had hoped she would be, because it was her only chance at survival after removing the Worm parasite eating at her from the inside. But even as she lay dying the Witch Queen second guessed herself and contemplated the fact that maybe this was all some great big cosmic trick, that she had deluded herself into thinking that the Traveler would choose her and she would just die right there, overlooking the City. It’s what made the play so powerful for me and why I love that WQ cutscene so much. For an antagonist that has spun webs of deception and made moves against us for years that were double edged, meant to draw out some victory either way they went, the most impactful play Savathûn made was entirely uncertain. And it’s that uncertainty that led to the Traveler choosing her in the first place. After all, a sacrifice is meaningless if you know for a fact that all can be recouped.
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Her contingency would be us, as we were the only one capable of not only stopping her but possibly winning. That said, doubtful she was as thorough as you think. Too much hindsight. Leaving Osiris behind with knowledge to help would make sense but assuming we’d hunt down all the relics of Nez when he wasn’t even on the radar? That’s bad writing. Uber Savathun? Same one who got stomped by [i]one Guardian[/i]? Could of been she left him in the coma unable to tell us so we wouldn’t go there and find a way to stop her if she had been successful in sealing away the Traveler. Could go either way. Your point about the deception of the Worm Gods was pretty close. This is a retcon issue. In the BoS, Savathun realized the Worm Pact would kill them and they had been falsely promised immortality. Likely the necessity of the tribute system was the final proof that the worm pact wasn’t sustainable. Hard to say if the D2 version is a hard or soft retcon of this or if it’s just an added explanation, as the D1 lore isn’t available in D2.
