If that's true then why is it that all the weapons you've mentioned are some of the least used guns in the game. Devils, while strong on the surface has many drawbacks and because it can kill a red bar in GMs doesn't make it strong. To get in range often can result in your death on a GM. Also keep in mind that it's charged attack basically hits 20x. So by comparison most primaries will kill a red bar with the same hits or less and in about the same duration as it takes to charge, fire, and reload. 1k has one of the lowest total damages for all heavies and you don't even get 2 mags with the base reserves. Also nerfs to fusions has taken a toll on this weapon. Symmetry takes way too long to reach its max charge for revolution. By comparison hawkmoon is way faster and easier to use. Kills should count not just precision hits Tarrabah is okay and I was on the fence, however one could argue that a frenzy smg is just as good if not better No time is only okay in pvp, outside that it's very meh for an exotic. High impact pulse aren't good in pve and this exotic isn't a dps weapon, but it's also not good at add clear because of its archetype 4th has been hit hard by shotgun nerfs over the years. It's low base reserves only give 3 mags and its damage, while high, isn't really enough to justify getting that close to a boss or mini boss. Even on master nighfalls it can no longer kill a champion with a single burst.