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6/28/2022 9:38:28 PM
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Just played another lobby where not a single primary shot was registered, not a single one. People from all over the freaking globe.
It's disgusting.
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Edited by Sohsuh: 6/29/2022 1:57:13 PMIt's not repairable at this point. It will only get worse. Look at the way they presented Zone Control as if PvP has zero issues. Then they add this hilarious part "The first team to 125 points wins! If a team falls too far behind and we detect that even if they held two zones for the rest of the match, they wouldn’t get enough points to catch up, a mercy rule will come into effect." Because surely with the broken lobby balancing there's going to be a ton of mercy games. Then they also have to add "We will be monitoring the conversation and looking forward to all of the feedback you provide on how this mode plays in Destiny 2." As if they don't have enough feedback from us on the plethora of stuff that most people hate about Crucible that only gets worse.
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doesn't even happen most of the time and its not enjoyable seeing the score be 10-45 and know that you can't win and have wait for the game time to run out
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Exactly, we desperately need a proper CBMM back
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You have cbmm you just have a crazy lobby balance as well
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Nah, what kind of "CBMM" would match me with extremely laggy people from Japan, Canada and South Africa in a single lobby?!? There is no CBMM any longer, evidently.
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It's still cbmm just cause the lobby balance is -blam!- don't mean anything
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Lobby balancing is applied after lobby is formed, and if we had CBMM we'd never have lobbies with people from the opposite sides of the globe in them, at all.
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yep lobby balancing almost as bad as SBMM
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Sorry but no sbmm is and always will be vastly better. The only people who hate sbmm are the ones who hate actually having to put in the effort to win.
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I am a below average player and I hated SBMM, was very excited at first when it was ditched. Sadly, fun lasted for one season only, and then everything went south, even worse than in the SBMM times.
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Quite rich coming from sbmm advocates like you. https://www.universityxp.com/news/2021/2/10/skill-based-matchmaking-in-games-does-it-work Leaving this here for you to actually read what it means. Then you can come back and if it was really that good. We should have had it 3 times over
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To be honest I kinda still support sbmm over cbmm, just for some reasons I say are quite decent First, no stomp matches, shocker Second, not needing to be carried or carry people since they hold their own weight Third, a satisfying conclusion, a decent loss or a satisfied victory, both saying your improving or just need to happen our some bumps Fourth it’s actually feels like you can be chill, most of the argument that the people point out that the ones who have the most issues are the ones -blam!- try win every match or get the highest kd, which I find pointless for the feeling of being able to participate And lastly you were allowed to realise that you can still grow and get better, you didn’t need a high kd or a endless win streak, just enjoy yourself Example I didn’t use any special weapons during forsaken, so I never really got any high kds or used the meta and group up for endless victory’s, sbmm was not truely the issue, it did what it did, put skill against skill, it was not win count, just kd count and that’s what happened, or I think that is, I could be wrong on that department but sbmm was just doing it’s job, just people wanted to prove something that didn’t really need to be proved
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You have fair points but the no Stomp matches were not what I experienced as the above average. The carrying is stupid I agree but sbmm does not fix the glaring issue for the top 1% of having awful mm time in quickplay. Quickplay is suppose to be a place where you have quick matches with decent connection. Before anyone points at the quickplay lag. With decent Internet (And I have it) I don't notice anything. Yeah here or there some outliers I don't deny that but it's better than when I had 8mb Internet (Yes those were my real speeds back in the day)
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You have some decent points to, but remember that sbmm was not designed for the top 1% cause who can be matched against the 1% other then the 1% people When it came to quick play yes, it is that but the reason it takes so long to match against other people will take time since not everyone takes it seriously so they won’t be as high or they are just started and just getting a hang of things If you ask me and the way bungie is taking the game I would at the very least give the new players a bit of training say again some bots (if bungie can program them right) to show them what to do It’s kinda sucks for them since they are given a bad idea of pvp from the get go
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Honestly. Bots are a terrible idea. If you take bots from cod at least. Where veteran is the literal sweat lord. Now maybe pvp guides are better honestly. Someone who shows them the basics and gives them a general sense but just like raid sherpas. There are some that do it and some that don't. I think we can and should be able to have a civil debate about it
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Yeah having someone to show new people what to do could be healthy since it will stop making it feel like you have learn from the game Cause I won’t lie I just see people ignoring zones and just going to kill stuff and it shows that you can pick sniper, shotgun, grenade launcher and fusion while also giving them a idea how to without it being competitive until they know what to do and be able to grow From that Along with the last point, you won’t know who you will get, but the saying is, as long as there is two people left on this planet, each are gonna have their own views and probably want the other dead
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Fair enough
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But hey, I didn’t disagree just gave you my opinion, nice discussion by the way
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I mean its nice to have one that doesn't involve stat checking but is purely based on solid arguments, facts, logic and well worded opinions. Never thought I would find it on this forums tho
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I don’t look at stats, cause they don’t tell the full story, it’s like me, I hide mine to say you can’t have a bias toward what I say and I try my best to be none bias and try listen to both sides, mine and the other, sure some time I do tend to get a bit to into the discussion and start getting a bit annoyed at it But that’s just how much this game does in fact mean to me, it’s probably the only game that can make me want to play it more, but unfortunately the pvp side is getting bad, maybe cause of cbmm, maybe cause of the algorithm, but it just proves that this game has alot of flaws and we do need to look at it with a different look
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I mean, all I am getting is someone being an absolute melt. Wish I could have more civil arguments 🙄 Anyway yeah, it's a game and for me that's all that it is for me. I like hard content, I like a challenge however it will never control my life. That's absolutely not my plan and I am not planning to have it in control. But people need to also grasp reality. Game developing is hard in general but content as well. I know we joke about it but if you actually worked at a store you have customers. Today I had to be that person that couldn't please someone. Game development is literally the same but on a larger scale. Because if I please one group, the other group complains and vice versa. Do I think the content we have been receiving since the start of the annual pass is good? No, not entirely. Am I of the opinion dry periods are good? Yes Now hold your pitchforks and torches back. Hear me out. Back in destiny 1 we had content drought. Was it the greatest? No. But the DLCS they did release like taken king and rise of iron had a -blam!- ton of content. Forsaken levels actually. The only argument really for a dry period is better content for both pve and pvp. But I can see why people may not like that.
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I mean, around 6 or so seasons and no pvp maps or new strikes that are actually fun, I mean the two on the throne world are okay, but is it wrong to say that they are so boring still? I mean, I kinda hoped for a new enemy archetype of rouge classes and we go against them like the new lucent hive guardians But still the seasons are just, dry, boring and won’t lie, draining then fun I mean think in any games like destiny, that can get people burned out so fast cause it’s the same over and over What we should expect with all season are a dungeon and a raid, cause If they have just expect one event and a new area is enough for just casual people who just play the game for pve or both Since we could have had a raid that bought back the leviathan raids but corrupted or a way to bring back the old raid weapons and shaders giving the players who missed it a chance, that will cancel burn out cause new players get to try leviathan and old plays won’t run into the same stuff, we could have it like calus is a bit more like rulk, more aggressive and trying to kill you type of moves Not just shoot you with a gun, since we know the branches coming out of the caretaker and rulk himself are regenerative meaning it can cause calus to heal or be one of those things that are locked in time
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Sorry bud still support sbmm and always will doesn't mean I don't believe we can't have middle ground but let's face it, cbmm has been far more detrimental then sbmm. Hell cbmm started off so bad they had to implement a lobby balance fix just to try and fix it but that also failed.
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And they removed sbmm 3 times already because no one liked facing someone (Altho in the general public eye) evenly matched, it still wasn't because of the severe lag
