Humans in general are, one has to learn to deal with it and grow some leather skin.

Nah, humans are born good, but society corrupts them.

Tell that to Cain and Abel. Every human has the seed of evil in their heart, be it jealousy, lust, anger, etc.

[quote]Humans in general are, one has to learn to deal with it and grow some leather skin.[/quote] Perhaps the company doesn't feel that's an obligation.

People in the game are -blam!-holes. Bungo makes a game that is infuriating to play, and then hides when their angry players want to complain about it. 1 mil active out of 23ish million registered. That means 22 out of every 23 D2 players have quit the game. Gonna go up, cuz all their game design decisions benefit streamers and sweats, and NOBODY else.

[quote]1 mil active out of 23ish million registered. That means 22 out of every 23 D2 players have quit the game.[/quote] It's actually even "better" than that according to Warmind: [quote] D2 Population: May 19/20 Overall: 808.35k PvE: 726.74k PvP: 233.42k Gambit: 116.03k Raid: 86.51k via warmind.io | Guardians Tracked: 55.87M [/quote] Naturally some of those 55.87 Million players are gonna be new accounts people made to cheat and or smurf, but still. [quote] Gonna go up, cuz all their game design decisions benefit streamers and sweats, and NOBODY else.[/quote] It's really weird because I can't really argue about that. PvPs current matchmaking is -blam!- broken, and it's legitimately because Bungie catered to to the 1% high skilled players and streamers making the mode terrible for anyone average or low-skilled. https://twitter.com/A_dmg04/status/1514060278173888514 [quote] Hey, just to keep the record straight: We literally turned off skill based matchmaking in the majority of Crucible playlists multiple years ago. This was thanks to feedback from high-skill players. We now have more negative sentiment around matchmaking than ever before. [/quote] Like, gee, thanks, I can do control, get stomped 24/7 just to inflate the ego of some sweat living in his mums basement. No thanks. I'll stick to playing Comp, where the matchmaking is WAY better, or not play destiny at all. The best part is that they aren't doing anything to address it, or changing it because then streamers are gonna whine. -blam!- the rest of the playerbase, the top 10% are gonna need their cannon-fodder and that's final.

[quote][quote]1 mil active out of 23ish million registered. That means 22 out of every 23 D2 players have quit the game.[/quote] It's actually even "better" than that according to Warmind: [quote] D2 Population: May 19/20 Overall: 808.35k PvE: 726.74k PvP: 233.42k Gambit: 116.03k Raid: 86.51k via warmind.io | Guardians Tracked: 55.87M [/quote] Naturally some of those 55.87 Million players are gonna be new accounts people made to cheat and or smurf, but still. [quote] Gonna go up, cuz all their game design decisions benefit streamers and sweats, and NOBODY else.[/quote] It's really weird because I can't really argue about that. PvPs current matchmaking is -blam!- broken, and it's legitimately because Bungie catered to to the 1% high skilled players and streamers making the mode terrible for anyone average or low-skilled. https://twitter.com/A_dmg04/status/1514060278173888514 [quote] Hey, just to keep the record straight: We literally turned off skill based matchmaking in the majority of Crucible playlists multiple years ago. This was thanks to feedback from high-skill players. We now have more negative sentiment around matchmaking than ever before. [/quote] Like, gee, thanks, I can do control, get stomped 24/7 just to inflate the ego of some sweat living in his mums basement. No thanks. I'll stick to playing Comp, where the matchmaking is WAY better, or not play destiny at all. The best part is that they aren't doing anything to address it, or changing it because then streamers are gonna whine. -blam!- the rest of the playerbase, the top 10% are gonna need their cannon-fodder and that's final.[/quote] Yeah, Destiny Tracker has about the same numbers. It's off by less than 10% but it's the numbers I usually use lol. And I saw that tweet from dmg and it really felt like it justified all the trash talk I've been giving to PvP mains for the last 3 years. I went so petty as to watch a True Vanguard video and the looked up each player on Destiny Tracker. Maybe one in ten was in the top 50% of players. Most were bottom feeding new lights. His b roll is literally him bullying low skill or new players and then everybody thinks he's good. The streamer community is so awful and dmg literally said, as you posted, that they built PvP that way on purpose. That's why nobody likes crucible lol

Also why nobody likes DMG and his constant stream of tweets about all the cool loot he got carried to because of manipulative matchmaking.

[quote]People in the game are -blam!-holes. Bungo makes a game that is infuriating to play, and then hides when their angry players want to complain about it. 1 mil active out of 23ish million registered. That means 22 out of every 23 D2 players have quit the game. Gonna go up, cuz all their game design decisions benefit streamers and sweats, and NOBODY else.[/quote] Every major game out there has a ton of people that try it out and then don’t continue playing. Concurrent player numbers have remained stable for years. You can’t blame the game for the people on here being super toxic. They’re a minority of the players. The player base on other platforms is far less toxic.

[quote][quote]People in the game are -blam!-holes. Bungo makes a game that is infuriating to play, and then hides when their angry players want to complain about it. 1 mil active out of 23ish million registered. That means 22 out of every 23 D2 players have quit the game. Gonna go up, cuz all their game design decisions benefit streamers and sweats, and NOBODY else.[/quote] Every major game out there has a ton of people that try it out and then don’t continue playing. Concurrent player numbers have remained stable for years. You can’t blame the game for the people on here being super toxic. They’re a minority of the players. The player base on other platforms is far less toxic.[/quote] Pokemon go has actually gotten more popular in the last 3 years. So has fibal fantasy xiv. When your game is actually good, people come back. With destiny 2, people don't come back 95% abandonment rate is insane. That's not normal.

[quote] Pokemon go has actually gotten more popular in the last 3 years. So has fibal fantasy xiv. When your game is actually good, people come back. With destiny 2, people don't come back 95% abandonment rate is insane. That's not normal.[/quote] Sorry, you clearly don’t understand what statistic you’re actually looking at. Whether you’re purposely misunderstanding or not, I don’t know. The total number of registered players is completely different from concurrent player numbers and daily player numbers. Fortnite has 350 million registered accounts and it peaks around 24 million log on daily. Final fantasy XIV has 35.8 million registered players and daily player count of 3.4 million. Pokémon is harder to specify, but the number of people that have played a Pokémon game is significantly higher than the number of daily players. You’ll find the same pattern of daily players being significantly lower than the total registered users in every single popular game. It really isn’t a hard concept to grasp.

[quote][quote] Pokemon go has actually gotten more popular in the last 3 years. So has fibal fantasy xiv. When your game is actually good, people come back. With destiny 2, people don't come back 95% abandonment rate is insane. That's not normal.[/quote] Sorry, you clearly don’t understand what statistic you’re actually looking at. Whether you’re purposely misunderstanding or not, I don’t know. The total number of registered players is completely different from concurrent player numbers and daily player numbers. Fortnite has 350 million registered accounts and it peaks around 24 million log on daily. Final fantasy XIV has 35.8 million registered players and daily player count of 3.4 million. Pokémon is harder to specify, but the number of people that have played a Pokémon game is significantly higher than the number of daily players. You’ll find the same pattern of daily players being significantly lower than the total registered users in every single popular game.[/quote] And you misunderstood what I said. Pokemon Go and FFXIV player counts are going up. That's called "retention". I know that's an alien concept to a Destiny 2 player, but it is possible to bring in new and returning players while also keeping existing players. Also, daily stats don't meant anything unless you're a stockholder look at the monthly unique player stats for those games. It is significantly higher than D2.

You are correct dude, any available player numbers for the last 18 months show a steady decline of active players month on month. The only time there is a spike is around a major content drop. Damn, all these dudes gotta do is look at the steam numbers over that time. It ain't pretty.

Yeah... about that, it's a lot more common than people in this thread are trying to make it out to be Especially with long running games Some of them bounce back, but that's more the exception than the rule. When a game finds it's niche, people try it out, decide it isn't for them, and leave. Most of the games you go check have massive dropoffs in player numbers, and for some it's because it's a bad game, but for most it's just because people try it and decide it's not a game they care for. Destiny has a strong, consistent playerbase that continues to care for the game. Were that not true people wouldn't keep coming to these forums to complain about it because the game wouldn't keep going anymore.

[quote] And you misunderstood what I said. Pokemon Go and FFXIV player counts are going up. That's called "retention". I know that's an alien concept to a Destiny 2 player, but it is possible to bring in new and returning players while also keeping existing players. Also, daily stats don't meant anything unless you're a stockholder look at the monthly unique player stats for those games. It is significantly higher than D2.[/quote] You’re the one who brought up daily users for Destiny. Final fantasy’s player numbers have remained mostly steady. There is no increase any more significant that the in increase other games get during expansion releases. Pokémon go has dropped players since it’s release. Not sure what makes you think they’re going up. It really isn’t a complicated concept to grasp.

[quote][quote] And you misunderstood what I said. Pokemon Go and FFXIV player counts are going up. That's called "retention". I know that's an alien concept to a Destiny 2 player, but it is possible to bring in new and returning players while also keeping existing players. Also, daily stats don't meant anything unless you're a stockholder look at the monthly unique player stats for those games. It is significantly higher than D2.[/quote] You’re the one who brought up daily users for Destiny. Final fantasy’s player numbers have remained mostly steady. There is no increase any more significant that the in rewards other games get during expansion releases. Pokémon go has dropped players since it’s release. Not sure what makes you think they’re going up. It really isn’t a complicated concept to grasp.[/quote] In January 2020, Pokemon go has like 70k active players. Today, that number sits at 80k. FF14 had it's highest population in years back in January and February. Destiny 2, by contrast, is at about half of it's population from this time last year with a bump in the witch queen launch month. This game doesn't retain players and our player base doesn't grow like some other games, which was my original response. Glad we looped back around to it

[quote] In January 2020, Pokemon go has like 70k active players. Today, that number sits at 80k. FF14 had it's highest population in years back in January and February. Destiny 2, by contrast, is at about half of it's population from this time last year with a bump in the witch queen launch month. This game doesn't retain players and our player base doesn't grow like some other games, which was my original response. Glad we looped back around to it[/quote] Pokémon go has lost players since launch. It’s been having a small rise in the past year, but it’s a significant drop since it’s release. Final fantasy has seen a massive player drop according to your logic. Over 90% of its players have left it. When you apply the same things you’ve said about Destiny’s player numbers to other games, you see the same thing. Yet you’re still not getting it? Yikes…