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Edited by Fpigna94:
12/26/2021 10:35:34 AM
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First: you're hating first.
Second: sniping takes more skills than shotguns in Destiny?? Hahahaha
So you're basically saying that in game with absolutely no bullet drop, with a crazy high aim assist value, with a no sense bullet magnetism and with a radar that tells you where people are gonna peak and stay sniping is difficult?
Get good boy on countering shotguns which imply at least a good movement skill.
We don't want sniper trials meta again where everyone stayed completely blocked in their position waiting for people going into their reticles.
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Hide your profile. We can see why you're defending shotties. You use them the most out of every weapon in the game.
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Edited by Fpigna94: 12/26/2021 1:57:23 PMSo if I use shotgun I cannot argue against someone that says that sniping takes more skill than shotgunning. This is a very smart thinking! Btw my top three most used weapons are primaries, not shotguns. Before spending time on searching someone else stats (without profit also) , try to argue your argument.
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[quote]Btw my top three most used weapons are primaries, not shotguns. [/quote] You actually have more kills with Supers than you have with any one weapon type. Your top three weapon types, according to DestinyTracker, are Hand Cannon - 5656 kills Auto Rifle - 5262 kills Shotgun - 5090 kills
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Edited by Fpigna94: 12/26/2021 2:34:59 PMSuros: 2407 kills Ace: 1735 kills True prophecy: 1698 kills Felwinter: 1657 kills Uriels gift: 1579 kills. Only one shotgun out of the 5 most used weapons. So I'm not a shotgun warrior This is for you and the other guy called "stats warrior".
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By your logic, I don't use Fusion Rifles at all because there aren't any in my top 5 most used weapons; my highest is Merciless, in 10th. Despite that, Fusion Rifles are my most-used special weapons. Do you see how these two things clearly don't line up with one another? So what if all your Shotgun kills aren't concentrated on one gun? Spreading them across several different Shotguns doesn't mean you use them less overall.
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Absolutely correct. But I don't understand why this discredit my previous post. I am not a shotgun warrior and my stats show that. I have more primaries kills than specials and, believe, it's pretty rare! Btw even a shotgun warrior could argue about how shotguns need skill. So I really don't understand why all of this stats hunting.
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On a topic like this, stat-viewing is the only way to estimate how you play. I don't know you, how you play or exactly what you like to use, but I know how a typical Shotgun user plays and acts. You are correct that you have more kills on primary weapons than Shotguns and that is indeed rare, but my opinion is that the numbers are close enough that it isn't a huge point to your benefit. For comparison, I have 5648 Fusion Rifle kills, 10,658 Scout Rifle kills and 13,830 Hand Cannon kills. As you can see, the gap between them is much higher. Similarly, I have over twice as many total kills in Crucible, but my most-used Special Weapon type is only ~600 higher than yours. On the overall topic, I don't think many special weapons take skill. Pretty much all Snipers and Shotguns are far easier to use in D2 than in any other FPS. I'd say that high-impact Fusion Rifles take skill now, simply because they are so awful in every regard, and the rest aren't that hard to use. Grenade Launchers are very roll-reliant, but a good roll and a suitable pairing makes them obnoxious to play against.
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I think that even the lowest skilled person or the most "rhino shotgunner" on earth can talk on this topic. The most important is that you play the game. Maybe the experience from a shotgunner can be different from the point of view of a sniper (and viceversa) so it can be useful. Yes, completely agree. Special weapons take no skill at all. I continue to think that some specials required better skill but in general they don't require skill. The problem for me is bungie trying to address that (also with the recent abilities nerf). Destiny won't never be a competitive game. It tried at d2 vanilla and it failed miserably because it was so boring. I really hope the future path won't led to that direction.
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It does take more skill. It's easy math. Movement is incredibly fast and easy to abuse, so getting close is far from hard. Shotguns fire multiple projectiles and don't require all of them to hit or to hit in a specific place to guarantee a kill (outside of slugs). Compared to a weapon that shoots a singular bullet, and requires said bullet to hit the head to kill. Yet shotguns take more skill? You can't argue it's positioning or gamesense, because that is also applicable for snipers. Range is not a factor as movement is incredibly fast. I brought up you maining shotguns because it is undeniably a factor in why you replied as well as why you hold the opinion you do. If you want to argue otherwise, you're just lying to yourself. On that point, you literally have next to no experience with snipers, less than 300 kills overall, so you're far from experienced in terms of how snipers play
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A truly mix of no sense from a casual pvp player that barely played any competitive mode. Getting close is far from hard: false In almost every sweaty there is only one player shotgunning per team. Do you know why? Because a good team can easily keep the distance from a shot gunner with, guess what, snipers. Shogun fire multiple projectile and you don't need to land all of them to secure a kill: partially false. To secure a 8-9 meter you need to fire in a specific way where all your bullets go at the body (not aiming at the head) If not you won't never secure a ohko. Positiong in sniper is as skilled as shotgun: so false that doesn't even need an explanation. How can a stable positioning be skilled as a movement and combined position? Lol Range is not a factor (even you mean in shotgun or sniper): false. Range is essential in shotgung and for snipers it also increases aim assist. You're just lying to yourself: pretends to have the only one truth in the world saying absolutely stupid things without barely any experience in competitive modes. I have only 300 kills because I like more the shotgun playstile. If you watch the destiny "competitive scene" there is Noone that will say that in this game sniper are for skilled players. The reason are written above and, even if I am an unexperienced sniper rifle, are undeniable. I repeat: before looking for someone else stats try to really understand your argument. You're speaking as a casual 6vs6 player and, in fact, you're stats show that.
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Wow, you got really upset and defensive because someone called you out? Didn't you try and call OP out for "hating"? It isn't hard. If you use a shotgun and are running in a straight line, in the open, with a sniper looking right at you, you're bad. Snipers cover 1 lane. There is not a map in this game that is JUST a singular lane. You can do something called "Flanking" and "Using cover" to avoid that sniper. By "fire in a specific way" you mean aim at the body, the largest portion of a player's hitbox, unlike a sniper, which must aim at the smallest portion of the hitbox, from farther distances. You cannot "aim a shotgun in a specific way" other than shooting center mass, as projectile spread is random. The only shotgun in which this is applicable is Felwinter's. A good sniper doesnt sit in one spot. By this logic, shotgunning is easy because I can just camp in a corner. Both a good sniper and someone using a shotgun are nearly constantly moving. As I brought up earlier, you wouldn't know this, as you don't use snipers. Range does not increase aim assist. Range increases bullet magnetisim, something that happens to every single weapon in the game whenever they get more range (That means shotguns too.) Lol, you're funny. You're mad that someone is calling out your crutch and you're resorting to try and trash talk me to somehow deface or discredit what I'm saying. If I was wrong, you wouldn't be so upset, as you wouldn't be taking this as personally as you are. Before you make a fool of yourself, once again. [b]Hide your profile.[/b] [i]Wonder what all those 0-0 Trials games were back in April, along with the fact Trials Report calls you out for stat farming with a 50+ kill comp game.[/i] Go back to crutching on shotties you wintrading, statfarming bot.
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Edited by Fpigna94: 12/26/2021 3:16:00 PMUpset hahahahahhaha Not only you think you have the only truth in the world but you also think you know other people mindset! Incredible!! Wow, it's really amazing people's capacities! Right now I'm not upset but I'm totally enjoying this conversation. You are saying so many ridiculous things like the comparison between a camping shotgunner in a corner with a camping sniper. Really, don't make yourself more ridiculous. And by ridiculous I mean on a destiny side. The other theories you believe like If I am wrong you shouldn't answer me or you shouldn't be upset (really?? Wtf hahaha) are self explanatory. And at the end, the only one here who is going personally outside destiny is you. I never spoke your person, your mood and I do not think I'm the truthteller. Guess who did that? Go and search for stats, to the infinity and beyond!
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Lol, you didn't read anything did you? I never said camping with a sniper and shotgun gave the same results, what I was doing was saying the way you're comparing them is idiotic. You're comparing them on the grounds that the shotgun is moving, but the sniper is not, so the shotgun takes more skill. But, in actuality, a good sniper is almost always moving. Rarely will someone just sit and watch a lane for more than 15-30 seconds. As I stated, you wouldn't know, as you don't use them. I didn't go anywhere outside of destiny lol. You're a wintrader, which is in destiny, as well as a stat farmer, which is also in destiny. Both of those things together make you a bot. I never once said anything along the lines of "If I am wrong you shouldn't answer me or you shouldn't be upset." I said, if you didn't feel personally offended or get upset in any way shape or form, you wouldn't attempt to insult my character by saying I "have no sense." You chose to ignore almost every argument I had, and those you didnt, you completely misunderstood. Not only that, you're attempting to act as if you're some godly PvP player with incomprehensible knowledge, when in reality, a majority of your flawlesses and stats are farmed. Take my advice and stop making a fool of yourself. Truth is, you like shotguns because they're easy and net kills, and you're not that good of a pvp player in reality, as none of your stats are truthful. All you can do now is to continue to attempt to discredit my character and say things I didn't say. But for real though, you are a wintrading bot.
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Edited by Fpigna94: 12/26/2021 3:31:53 PMWow, so for a "no sense" sad you think I am mad and upset? So how can I call someone that sad to another one fool, upset, mad, funny? C'mon man. Avoiding your arguments? Nah, you must joke now. It's pretty impossible you can think that. I replied to all. The only thing I avoid and where you say the truth is the bullet magnetism. I wrote incorrectly "aim assist". Talking about avoiding right now, after 10 messages, you never replied about my FIRST arguments about sniper! I repeat: my first ones! Right now your arguments in two messages are wintrader and statfarmer. Again, you're superficial. You can look at all my stats on every season and you will see that my kd is almost the same. I never farmed the stats and I always played alone in casual pvp activities. So please: speak with at least going a minimum into details. An for the destiny insult "bot": i think anyone in the world except for you after looking at my and your stats, at my and yours playtime, at my and your goals can safely say that you are less experienced and skilled than me. And be careful: I don't care about it. So you shouldn't do. So let's end this by satisfying your ego: I'm totally wrong and you only say the truth. Have a good day!
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The only argument you've adressed was camping, which I replied to and you've yet to respond, as well as all the other ones you first put out, which are still yet to be adressed. As for your first arguments, they mean nothing. All weapons have aim assist, and snipers are typically on the lower end, having between 30-40 AA dependant on which sniper. You attempted to state radar gave snipers an advantage when trying to find someone that is peaking, which makes no sense, radar has an incredibly short range, meaning it is much better used with shotguns. You want details? Okay. Trials Report directly shows you have a 50+ kill game, along with a warning that states the stats are most likely farmed. As for your wintrading, I'll give you dates. January 1st, 2021: 32 0-0 games in a row. January 3rd, 2021: 10 0-0 games. January 8th, 2021: 12 0-0 games in a row. January 9th, 2021: 10 0-0 games in a row. January 15th, 2021: 12 0-0 games in a row. January 18th, 2021: 6 0-0 games in a row. January 22nd, 2021: 13 0-0 games in a row. January 24th, 2021: 7 0-0 games in a row. January 25th, 2021: 5 0-0 games in a row. I'll stop there, but this continues up until April 12th. Even as I'm writing this, you just chose to hide your stats, but I do have screenshots. You're not a good player. You can't be a wintrader and a stat farmer and attempt to argue you're good because of it. Even in the trials games in which you don't wintrade, you're typically on the bottom end of your team. You can lie as much as you want, but the fact you've now hidden your stats proves to me you've got something to hide. I never said I "only say the truth", I was just simply stating that you're supportive of shotguns because they're your most used weapon, then you got heated, and I called you out on being fake. Simple as.
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You two lovebirds should get a room...
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Fair, calling out wintraders is just a little hobby of mine.
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I applaud you. It’s nice to see when people get called out.
