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Edited by Emurinus:
12/10/2021 2:56:21 PM
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Shotguns are going to be abhorrent to fight against in nearly every medium of Crucible until one of the following criteria are met:
[spoiler]>Primaries are buffed to have a shorter TTK to better stunt brainless rushes (whatever the current TTK is, it's not sufficient).[/spoiler]
>Maps are made to accommodate 12 players on the field (obviously this isn't a problem for smaller lobby sizes).
Even a better matchmaker won't fix this since shotguns are ultimately a symptom of larger problems.
Edit: Retracting my first statement due to misinformation on my end; my apologies. Will leave it in spoilers to keep context of follow-up posts.
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Primaries kill fast enough. I literally run double prime in pvp, and the fights don’t seem to long or short to me.
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[quote]Shotguns are going to be abhorrent to fight against in nearly every medium of Crucible until [i]both[/i] of the following criteria are met: >Primaries are buffed to have a shorter TTK to better stunt brainless rushes (whatever the current TTK is, it's not sufficient). >Maps are made to accommodate 12 players on the field (obviously this isn't a problem for smaller lobby sizes). Even a better matchmaker won't fix this since shotguns are ultimately a symptom of overall weak gunplay.[/quote] Shorter ttk primares would make this game a hellhole, would be basically cod on steroids
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Then the only other option is the meta we have now. People want to keep complaining about shotguns but fail to realize that they're a symptom of primaries still being weak; couple that with the fishbowl-sized maps we have, and Guardians being quite mobile in general, and they'll continue to be oppressive no matter what changes they recieve.
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[quote]Then the only other option is the meta we have now. People want to keep complaining about shotguns but fail to realize that they're a symptom of primaries still being weak; couple that with the fishbowl-sized maps we have, and Guardians being quite mobile in general, and they'll continue to be oppressive no matter what changes they recieve.[/quote] You really, really dont know what you are talking about, making primaries get way too close to shotgun TTK will just make things worse
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Primaries will never reach shotgun TTK. They're not even close to it in Momentum Control.
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[quote]Primaries will never reach shotgun TTK. They're not even close to it in Momentum Control.[/quote] But lets imagine if primaries TTK gets reduced to idk, 0.5 or so, that would be literally hell in pvp, specially in long ranged maps, and hand cannons would either be hand snipers or useless as well to keep up with all that, rapid fire weapons would be oppressive as -blam!-, specially things like multimach, and i used 0.5 because plenty of weapons are in the 0.6/0.7 TTK range.
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I will need to double check the optimal TTK of those weapons then. Unless I was using old data, I was under the impression that most weapons are hitting around 0.8 TTK.
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The answer to shotguns is definitely not bringing primaries closer to shotguns.
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[quote]The answer to shotguns is definitely not bringing primaries closer to shotguns.[/quote] Absolutely, people probably dont think when saying things like that, so they dont realize how bad would be
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Edited by A_mo: 12/10/2021 2:59:10 PMIts one of those things that people say where its like, I almost don't even know what to say to them because they say it like its just that simple when it would really be complicated as hell to do that and result in nothing.
