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12/7/2021 9:08:32 PM
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When did transgender stuff become political? And why is it encroaching on your game time? There isn’t anything political about it, and it shouldn’t be offensive to you in anyway.
Ignore the splash screen and move on. Let a heavily picked on group get some spotlight who cares lol
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_politics I beg differ
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“Identity politics” is a total disgrace to actual acceptance of those different to you. I should’ve made it clearer, but I’m aware this junk is thrown into the political space at times but I do not acknowledge it as legitimate politics. That was my point. No matter the side, left, right, whatever. The acceptance of a transgender person isn’t up for debate.
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Well actually everything is up to debate, Gender Dysphoria exists and the constant denial if it creates a issue as its a mental disorder. Saying that doesn’t exist is a complete denial of science
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We agree that it’s real and it’s based in science. Gender dysphoria and the choice of someone to transition shouldn’t be debatable or in politics at all. Being offended by seeing people acknowledge it is at it’s core hateful behavior. That was my point with the OP here.
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Well it has become a part of politics, imagine if there was a group of people saying you have a mental disorder then there is one side that says they are will say you have no issues at all and are just misunderstood. Which side would you vote for? Thats why this stuff becomes political.
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Edited by BarrettDylan: 12/8/2021 1:08:40 AMIt feels to me at that point the side denying it just shouldn’t be listened to. They’re being disingenuous to a high degree, and that conduct shouldn’t be entertained in a political environment. If it’s been proven scientifically, with credible studies and evidence, then they have no ground to stand on denying it’s existence. When it comes to things like restroom usage, athletic competitions, or other nuance’s pertaining to those of transgender or gender dysphoric status, I could see there being a discussion on how to approach that.
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There is no argument it’s simply gender Dysphoria with no outside factors it solves itself, it only becomes a issue when someone starts compounding the issue by affirming the person is what they believe they are.
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So I guess that’s where we differ lol There’s a lot of science to back up the fact that some people are born with a brain that’s more wired towards the gender they aren’t biologically. Physical amounts of white matter or grey matter differing, not fully mental. Leading to why people get a gender change. It’s simply not your decision to determine whether it’s okay for someone to make that decision, and debating their personal choice and whether it’s okay is hateful at it’s core. That is what you’d be doing. I’m not getting into this any further on a video game forum website. I’ve made my piece
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Doesn’t matter what you want to be, i want to be taller doesn’t mean anything. Literally what you described is Gender Dysphoria its a mental condition how you described it makes it worse as Gender Dysphoria is one of the few mental illnesses that goes away if it isn’t affirmed.
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Are you aware of what white and grey matter are? Educate yourself on that and come back, because it isn’t “mental”. They’re types of physical brain tissue that typically are determined by gender (in terms of amount of each), it doesn’t go away if you don’t get “affirmation”.
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Go take a biology class and come back please.
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Welp, since you’ve not posed a counter point at all to what I just said I’ll call this case closed. Keep on letting other’s bodily choices live rent free in your head. Can’t imagine how feeling discomfort over another’s life choice is an enjoyable existence, but you do you friend 🥂
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And its people like you that make this a harder conversation than necessary. I did provide my point I didn’t even consider what you said to be a point i needed to counter. Gender Dysphoria is a known mental disorder and you saying “well scientist say that some people are born with more feminine minds in male bodys” quite literally is gender Dysphoria. Why the hell do you support something that only hurts someone at the end? You dont wonder why people who are post transitional surgery commit suicide more often? Even the doctor who created the technique used for the surgery has stopped doing it as he saw it does more damage to the patient in the long run. I care because i can actually care about people, if someone is hurting themselves unknowingly then shouldn’t you do something? Seems obvious.
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The amount of mental gymnastics and ignorance of science here is impressive.
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Such as? What mental gymnastics? This is why i dont like arguing with people about this. Its a fundamental difference where one side ignores the basics of Biology and psychology in favor for saying its a concept beyond just that. Just dont end up like the person i argued with who told me we are evolving past humanity and -blam!-/gender are beyond us as if we have the technology that can change chromosomes.
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Edited by BarrettDylan: 12/8/2021 10:19:24 PMI have no clue what you’re on about now but you’ve been heavily straw manning me for a while. I never said any of that, and here you are denying a biological situation I brought up while saying I’m doing the same. If you want to keep using mental gymnastics to justify thrusting yourself into random other peoples lives (like a creep) go ahead. No one will like you for it, and rightfully will find you bigoted. It. Isn’t. Your. Decision. Nor does it hurt you. So stop being a hateful person and let others live their lives. You my friend, are what we call a transphobe. Have fun with the label, as you continue to expose yourself as one. Edit: I genuinely hope you understand that outing yourself as such on a forum site directly monitored by Bungie themselves (who directly support trans rights) is not intelligent in the slightest.
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Why would i care what bungie thinks, its not monitored by bungie lmao, do you think ill get banned in game or something? It’s monitored by Ninjas which are NOT Bungie employees. All you can do is insult me, which is against the ToS. How is it being hateful when im literally watching for someones mental health, if you help someone now despite it currently not being with their wishes it may save their life in the future. How is that hateful, whats ignorant is not helping these people and just telling them what they are doing is fine. Imagine waking up one day and realizing what you did to yourself, many do that and take their own lives. Is that okay? Obviously not, do not call me a creep as im not doing anything creepy thats just straight up slander. Clearly i can display my better care for others while you sit there placing labels on people you dont even know.
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You're right its not a political issue, as much as US politicians try to make it one. Its a social agenda issue. Many feel there's no place within the game itself for that kind of information to be placed and the company should stick to putting that kind of information on more conventional social platforms instead. Of course its Bungies game and they can do what they like. My issue I take is that the company cherry picks WHICH social agenda it decides to focus on, such as race and gender identity. Meanwhile, other issues are put on the sideline because they dont get the social spotlight so to speak. A perfect example would be military Veterans. The US isn't the only country that has Veterans, and yet, this year on veterans day in the US, Bungie instead made the focus of the TWAB about transgender. Their reasoning, Destiny is a game that is played in many countries. Veterans around the world deal with various forms of mental and physical disabilities ranging from PTSD, depression, to missing limbs. Yet they are constantly and consistently placed in the background because it would be inconvenient to address these issues over something such as someones gender or race. Bungie even utilized a quote when announcing Accessibility at Bungie, "If you do not intentionally include, you unintentionally excluding." (Paraphrasing). Take this as me calling Bungie out, as excluding military service members and veterans around the world because we dont meet the social agenda. (I'm a former US Navy member).
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Do you genuinely not understand why the veterans thing is problematic?
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Why would recognizing veterans around the world on a day of recognition for veterans be a problem? I genuinely want to know why in your mind, you seem to think problems veterans deal with is less important than something like trans rights/awareness. Because to me, both issues deserve to be recognized and you cant put one issues as more important over the other, as that would be devaluing one group of individuals over another.
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its pretty simple, war is a sensitive and divisive subject. celebrating the veterans of one country can be disrespectful to people from the country on the opposing side. imagine a scenario where bungie celebrated US Veteran's day with a splash screen and a number of people see it who had loved ones killed by Americans in war, they wouldn't be so happy to see that splash screen would they. And vice versa, if you had a loved one killed in a war would you want to see a splash screen celebrating the veterans of that country?
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A fair and valid point. Very well articulated too. While I agree its a sensitive subject that would need to be handled with care internationally, something like a splash screen on login would be entirely inappropriate especially if it was one sided. Yet there should be some room for being able to recognize on all sides that veterans exist and many do struggle with various forms of disabilities. The truth is, no matter what the company does, it'll piss someone off somehow. Thread OPs post is an example. Doesnt have anything to do with them, but still mad about it. I'm just saying, in terms of acknowledging that there is a group out there and Bungie is actively choosing to exclude them, which feels wrong. I may be biased because I belong to that group, but it does feel bad that the company makes that decision.
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you're right, no matter what they do, or in this case don't do, someone will be upset by it. if they were to have celebrated all veterans from all across the world many people would still be upset by it. im sure someone would say, "this is US Veterans Day, not global Veterans Day".
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In some countries it's called Remembrance Day or Poppy Day but it's still the same concept of veteran recognition/appreciation and it falls on the same day as US Veterans Day.
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Edited by BarrettDylan: 12/7/2021 9:47:19 PMUnderstandable take, I’d agree. You being put off for that reason specifically makes sense. I think there is also something to be said on companies virtue signaling in general. However the way the OP responded to it was what I took issue with. A transgender person isn’t political. There is no debate there on if that was okay for them to decide to do that with their body. Them seeing the splash screen and getting upset because they don’t agree with transgender people is just hateful.
