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12/7/2021 4:28:09 AM
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Yip, I'm bisexual and I feel like this is more VIRTUE SIGNALING than actual support.
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Seems like the culture at Bungie as a work place actually does care about stuff like this. Most of the employees that work there participate in protests and are vocal about issues on twitter like BLM, Trans Issues, and LGBT Issues. While I'm sure that some person somewhere involved in this is in it for the money, there are plenty of good humans at Bungie that are supporting this just because they're good people. Now as for whether or not this belongs in the game. Idk. It's their platform, so they can kind of do what they want with it. If they want to raise awareness for an issue they think is prevalent I don't see a problem with it.
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Thank you love your honesty.
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Sure, you're a customer.
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[quote]Yip, I'm bisexual and I feel like this is more VIRTUE SIGNALING than actual support.[/quote] It is virtue signaling 100 true. All it is,is a lazy cash grab nothing more.
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Everything Bungie does is to get "support" I mean "money" from people.
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Announcing your Bi would be signaling a virtue you think is important right? Being Bi doesn't mean your opinions on Trans inclusion is any more relevent than if you were Gay, straight, or if you main a Titan.
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No, prefacing a statement with a fact is not "vitue signalling", it is a way for the author to say "hey, I'm actually a part of this community and therefore my oppinion is valid in regards to how this kind of corporate virtue signalling affects my community" Much easier their way, wouldn't you agree?
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Or do we agree my attraction to whoever I please has nothing to do with Trans people?
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[quote]Or do we agree my attraction to whoever I please has nothing to do with Trans people?[/quote] I always think,what you are attracted to has nothing to do with anyone else. What I am attracted to has nothing to do with anyone else. Unless its animals and youngsters,then yeah you are you a problem .
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Edited by Exalted Evil: 12/7/2021 11:20:33 AMI agree, the trans community has nothing to do with -blam!- orientation, yet they are lumped into lgb, the lgb community is therefore affected by this. And yes, in this instance specifically, stating you are a part of the community at the heart of the debate inherently makes your oppinion more valid then someone who isn't.
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Except that it doesn't. We can certainly listen to anecdotes from people who the topic seems relevent to, but thats all it is. Anecdotal If anything, adding a preface to include your own -blam!- only stands to weaken your argument overal. If your only defence is "I'm Bi" you haven't critically thought about the subject. Its the reason two trans people can land on different opinions to what constitutes pandering. Because being Trans isn't a qualification for validity. A trans person growing up in the Bible belt of the USA, or the middle East will have a wildly different view of what constitutes virtue signalling than someone trans growing up in say, California, or Canada. If anything, You, as a CIS person might be better qualified to identify a pandering, or fake comment made by a corporation than a trans person if that's you area of expertise, or if your personal position has put you in areas better suited to recognising those acts, in fact, sometimes being removed emotionally from an issue means you're even better suited to making that call. Don't be so quick to assume someone is qualified just because they fall into the subject matter, we trust doctors on how to treat a broken bone even if they've never broken a bone for example. That isn't to say that the individual experience a trans person has isn't Valid, it just isn't the only valid opinion in the room.... By a long shot.
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If you are not a part of the community being pandered too, how are you supposed to know the effects of the pandering on said community? We trust doctors to mend broken bones because it is a strict discipline that follows rigid procedures for every ailment, "how to fix a broken bone" is not up for debate, The affects of virtue signalling on the lgbt community is and there is noone better positioned to weigh on on those effects then the lgbt community.
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I'll try and draw a parallel instead. Would you say you'd be capable of spotting when someone is being abused, even if you yourself have never been abused. Would you say you're capable of identifying when someone is depressed, even if you yourself have never been depressed. How about if someone else is gay, even if you've never been gay yourself. Could you spot when someone else is in love, even before you'd ever fallen in love before. None of these are direct parallels of course, but hopefully they illustrated that actually being subjected to something isn't the only method (or in some cases) the best method of collecting information on a subject. Here's an example of someone who has experience in a subject that *shouldn't* be the only person with a valid opinion. A couple's home is broken into by someone of a different race in a burglary. Now, if the homeowner forms an opinion on that person's race it wouldnt be a valid opinion because A: one action isn't representative of a statistic B: that person opinion is coloured by their emotions. C: they're misplacing their anger on the race rather than the crime. You certainly wouldn't let them tell you that because you've never been burgled by that particular race (or at all) that you have absolutely no input on the subject. To come off of the tangent somewhat. Who is better qualified to identify an attempt at pandering by multimillion dollar company: A: a trans person with no particular background of history in the industry B: a CIS woman with a bachelors in marketing. Certainly the attempt at marketing is *aimed* at the trans person, but they may see the pandering as a genuine because they are finally seeing representation-however unethical the company is being. But the qualified woman understands and can recognise the motivation behind the pandering, and therefore better identify it for what it is- pandering. Again, and I want to be crystal clear. That doesn't invalidate Trans peoples experiences.. It does however mean that you should look to the authorities on a subject, whatever they may look like, rather than the people who only have a subjective opinion on something. In other words, the best sources for information are usually the sources that are objective. It's not always the case, but it's a far safer rule to live by. And PS my examples have drawn a lot of conclusions about yourself, In the attempt to work my argument in a coherent way. If they don't apply directly, I hope you don't take the assumption personally.
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So, they didn't signal that they had a virtue that they consider beneficial or good in this instance? Huh. Cool, well in that case As a bi man it's didn't seem like virtue signalling to me. It was cool to see Trans people get some visibility.
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Yup ^
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Nobody thinks yours big and clever just cos you threw out the phrase “virtue signalling”
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Enjoy your bi-erasure then.
