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Did you get rich? Because only the billionaires did.

It’s political because it’s used to push a political narrative

They are people, like you or me.

Well yeah, obviously I’m referring to movement or the agenda behind the movement, not the individuals.

How do you separate them in your mind?

Well I see individuals who are driven by a preferred way of life along with other desires Movement generally is an act to change our perception due to these desires that most members want. But even if they are in one group they see how it operates and the goals behind it. Some people can take advantage of it because the movement gives them power through influence and use it to gain something basically only having selfish intent, this applies with all people and all movements. There are the other ones who probably seek self fulfillment or social acceptance but merely follow what the movement is doing bc what they are doing is getting them closer to achieving such goals even if the methods aren’t…anyways So basically what I’m saying is that I can separate the two, the people and the movement just like any other because just bc people have the same interests on paper doesn’t mean their goals and desires are the same. So I refer to the individual I don’t speak like I have it figured out, because I don’t. It’s easier to draw out the movement bc the movement has a method and motto. So when I say “movement” I’m mainly referring the idea and group bc movement is always on paper, like law and government. But individuals can’t be spoken for bc it’s not you’re place and more then half the time you are wrong. So I could say I disagree with the organization but saying I’d disagree with the individual is another level or arrogance. So I could base what I know without jumping into too many conclusions, just say “the people I’ve met, and my experiences etc etc.” but I can’t say “all of them are this way” y’know? Like I can’t say that all the trans movement nut jobs with their pronouns in the bio but act like literal dogs on tik tok speak for everyone! That’s like picking up a criminal and saying “this represents the whole family” so I will openly argue at what I know which is the actions and principles of the movement but not the individuals, it’s even idiotic to have an argument based on the character. It’s an objection on the idea! Not the character. That’s how I separate em

I respect that you put a lot of thought into this. I do have some questions. 1. Well I see individuals who are driven by a preferred way of life along with other desires---isn't this everyone on every issue? 2. Have you seen any transgendered using their status for their own benefit to the cost of other people in the movement? 3. Have you ever seen the South Park, 'The Death Camp of Tolerance?' Like I totally get behind many causes that I don't like in real life. The thought of a -blam!- touching me in any way is totally grosses me out and I will go through great extents to avoid it. But being tolerant means we accept that some people are into it, even though we are not. You can extrapolate that out into transgender and whatever else you need to.

I respect that you put a lot of thought into this. I do have some questions. 1. Well I see individuals who are driven by a preferred way of life along with other desires---isn't this everyone on every issue? Yes that’s how I also see them as individuals, we all have the same trait and desire so trying to adopt this notion that they are human is by itself wrong. 2. Have you seen any transgendered using their status for their own benefit to the cost of other people in the movement? Yes, this applies with most people especially when it comes to the subject of “oppression” so on top of ppl I’ve debate before, I’ve met two. Both different but are both on the subject of oppression. So lemme quick give you a true example that actually happened on forums. So this guy had his name banned bc it was “blakkman” or something and he used all these real life examples to receive validation and to perceive himself as a victim. You can’t compare a videogame tag to actual murder so I one time talked to a 17 year old who ‘identified’ as a different gender and this person told me how oppressed they are and how they are the #1 victims in history. So remember, this person started to join the group like a week before so they have already deemed themselves “oppressed” and a victim to society and they haven’t even met someone who made vocal objections, on top of everything this person said like the history etc being completely wrong. Anyways as I was saying, people base the hardships of others that may be in the same group like they also suffer those hardships. But that is only to see validation and to be perceived as a victim because nowadays everyone likes pulling the victim card. 3. Have you ever seen the South Park, 'The Death Camp of Tolerance?' Like I totally get behind many causes that I don't like in real life. The thought of a -blam!- touching me in any way is totally grosses me out and I will go through great extents to avoid it. But being tolerant means we accept that some people are into it, even though we are not. You can extrapolate that out into transgender and whatever else you need to. So I’ve made this clear In the last that I don’t care what people do, because like me we are entitled to our own opinions and to make choices. It’s not place and never will be my place to say “you can’t” like again I can express my opinion some how but that doesn’t mean I should. So explain the issue here’s an example. We are in a small town and, everybody is doing their own thing and someone gets a sweater and constantly reminds people to notice they have a sweater, to be aware and to address them because they have a sweater. So everyone’s like “cool, okay but I don’t care bc Im doing my own thing” others have strong objections and others are very supportive and give this person with the sweater all the attention they want. So while people are trying to do their daily thing this person is now telling the children to get a sweater, children are easy to manipulate to they want the sweater and because the system wants to address all ppl with the sweater they now give handouts without parental consent at a young age and make everyone with tax dollars pay for these sweaters. So now these ppl are kicking you out of the equation and teaching your children about this sweater. So before it wasn’t a problem but now people have an issue because they don’t want this sweater but now being made to notice and be aware of all people with it and to see them teach children or give them the option to get it” Now there obviously more to the situation and again I can’t compare transgenderism to sweaters, not by a long shot but to summarize it a bit. I think people should do whatever they want but when it comes to changing society, education (especially when it’s based on nonsense) and everything else that bends the knee to movement, when it alters how we live I should say [b]THEN[/b] people will have issues. Make sense?

1. 'Yes that’s how I also see them as individuals, we all have the same trait and desire so trying to adopt this notion that they are human is by itself wrong.' I'm trying to get you here, there is no accusation. So you are saying they are not human? 2. 'But that is only to see validation and to be perceived as a victim because nowadays everyone likes pulling the victim card.' Do you think that people pretend to be transgendered to so they can be the victim? Again, I'm only trying to get your side and not put words in your mouth. 3. No one has ever gotten beat up over a sweater, that's a poor anology. 'I think people should do whatever they want but when it comes to changing society, education (especially when it’s based on nonsense) and everything else that bends the knee to movement, when it alters how we live I should say THEN people will have issues. Make sense?' Sorry no, what is nonsense that you are referring to? specifically?

Or cultural narrative?

If it’s for a political agenda then it’s not cultural

Would agree but bungie isnt in politics?

I’m pretty sure they’ve passively expressed their opinions and have taken a political stance over both 2020 and 2021 but they aren’t as upfront because even if the narrative shows it, they aren’t upfront and considering that they are getting involved in large organizations and corporations so I’d say they are pretty political.

What political stances have bungie taken?

Well nowadays it is political because people have made it so

Who makes it political? Maybe you are right , I dunno tbh. But defensing people who need it feels good to me, regardless.