Cayde sux it wasn't Variks fault he was an idiot

Your too proud to fall and cayde definitely did not deserve death for helping with containment of a PRISON BREAK… Variks on the other hand LET THEM OUT… he is marked as a dead alien and I can think of one drifter who would have the receipt for eliksni burgers. I personally refuse to eat any of that, but hey, free meal for guardians at the tower!

Cayde sux. Yawn. Been like what 3 years? Variks did what he did, but he apologized for it when he wasn't even the idiot whole had his ghost just sitting out in plain sight and whole jumped down all alone. Conclusion: Cayde sux and it's time for his fanboys to move on. He isn't real and it's been like 3 years.

Gotta love the logic there. I hated Cayde and he walked into his fate. 3 years should get you off scot-free for murder so long as your apology sounds sincere because I like that guy. Murder is murder and accomplishing the act of letting the prisoners go started the event which WE were called in for. Just an FYI? Variks said he should answer for the crime. So yes. I shall, indeed, be happy to place a bullet into its brain and when Cayde-6 died in pain? I'll be sure to let Variks simply know the cold and alone place Cayde died in and then pull the trigger.

Bro.... I love Cayde. But he sux. I literally was pissed af when he died. But I didn't blame Variks bc it went way deeper than just 'oo Variks bad man' this game is always way more than that. I actually remember when people were pissed at Zavala for his reaction. Then the blame shifted to Variks entirely whenever Crow was redeemable... but I do recall ultimate Uldren slander which I didn't take lightly to. Variks wouldn't be the only one at fault then, by your logic. A lot of other factors played into that. You definitely need to chill and relax. It's a game bro, and Cayde is gone. It's not just Variks' fault, if you want to even call it his. Cayde knew better than to do what he did. That's not on Variks. Pretty sure Petra made it out.

[quote]I literally was pissed af when he died. But I didn't blame Variks bc it went way deeper than just 'oo Variks bad man' this game is always way more than that.[/quote] [quote]accomplishing the act of letting the prisoners go started the event which WE were called in for.[/quote] [quote]I hear a creepy voice in my head. I think it is my voice. “Wait. I should kill all the ordinary people and escape the city?” *looks around* “sorry. The voices.” *taps head* “I’m kidddddding… that’s not what they really said.”[/quote] This is that bad that I am quoting my other posts just to rebuttal a point that you are overlooking. Full stop: Did Variks release the prisoners? Yes. And he admitted to that and was caught on camera doing it. This is why Petra has a bounty on him and anyone who puts Variks to trial before the Reef will see the queens wrath get personally involved. That's the stake of being in charge. If it fails and you are found to be the treasonous act? You are the one hunted. Once the vanguard hold is over? I intend to shoot Variks in the dome. [quote]I do recall ultimate Uldren slander which I didn't take lightly to. Variks wouldn't be the only one at fault then, by your logic.[/quote] Uldren died by my hand. His crimes were brought to bear once I did that act. Crow is a fresh slate and I see him as a guardian same as Shadow. She may hate me for killing him, but that's life for ya. Accept the fact this was an operation that has resulted in thousands of dead corsairs for a city they rightfully built. Uldren? Variks? Selfish reasoning has resulted in Cayde and endless waves of death and rebirth corsairs. Guardians aren't saints. We fight for our reasons sure enough, but to let a murderer go free because of an apology? 3 years? No. You are too much of a sympathizer to an enemy who will repeat this over and over again. One vanguard leader is enough for me and that is what he will pay for. [quote]You definitely need to chill and relax. It's a game bro, and Cayde is gone.[/quote] You don't know me kiddo. And yes, this has been a lighthearted conversation regarding video game lore which you are participating in. It's fine to acknowledge you don't know everything, but to say murder is acceptable in this game is just as bad as saying I'm sorry when on death row. Variks is a war criminal. He will be killed possibly off-screen or by my hand. But my vote is for on-screen with me doing it. Shadow will do it too with guardian tears in her eyes when Variks says she must. He will want it done for his actions. It sucks, either way, you look at it because even from my side? It's a devil I know vs one I don't know. It's just a lot easy for me to keep saying accomplice murderer of a hunter vanguard. He let loose the criminals in their cells.

Bro I'm not about to read all that. Basically, this is a game. We all have opinions and in mine Variks isn't guilty and definitely would NOT be the only one with it if you consider him to. Cayde is dead and nobody can do anything about it other than Bungie if they wanted something out of it. Variks is literally not the one who pulled the trigger on Cayde. If you did something that you had no idea would lead to the death of someone, it would feel sh*tty to blame you entirely, because you had literally no idea it would happen that way. It's a game, chill. Nobody died from any players hand bc we are literally irl ppl holding a controller or etc., People act like Variks is the worst of the worst as if there are not people like Savathun and etc., Please. Cope.

[quote]Bro I'm not about to read all that.[/quote] That's fine kiddo. Forums are for discussing topics. If you aren't here to read then let's call it here. Much better stuff to talk about after all.

LOL. I guess bc I understand that it's a game bro. Variks is the greatest, ik, ik.

[quote]I guess bc I understand that it's a game bro[/quote] I don't think you have any idea how young you sound when you try to say something like that. This is a game forum. Were you suddenly expecting it to be something else? Stating the obvious only tells me about you and not the other way around... bro...

WHAT???? Bro I'm in my 20s. I'm just saying it's a fictional story and I never blamed Variks for the Cayde's death scenario. I never even blamed Uldren. It was Cayde's fault, not purposefully and knowingly. He didn't know what he was getting himself into. He doesn't actually suck, he just was written out rushed and was a bystander in Bungie's grand scheme of attempting to write a story worthy enough to be considered 'good.' It has nothing to do with age or anything like that. If you cannot handle opinions that differ than yours, then you haven't been playing I think.

[quote]WHAT???? Bro I'm in my 20s.[/quote] You're a lot younger than me then. [quote]I never even blamed Uldren. It was Cayde's fault[/quote] "Your Honor, it is my opinion that the dead man guardian deserved to be dead and there should be no recourse for anyone else involved." You didn't think that one through did you? [quote]He didn't know what he was getting himself into.[/quote] Prison break. Done by Variks. He admits to this much and says he is sorry for Cayde-6 and should answer for that. I give the fictional NPC more credit than you right now. He knows he was the one trusted to keep Uldren and the others locked up. He didn't do that. He was aiming at building up his culture and decided to leave after letting them free. Variks is guilty by admission. He will be given the same fate as Cayde. [quote]If you cannot handle opinions that differ than yours, then you haven't been playing I think.[/quote] I don't think you understand how low 20's you just sounded. Opinions are not reality kiddo. You need to learn more about the world and the processes which govern you. Give that another 20 years before you try and really utilize it too because it's no 4 unit course in college to learn all of it either.

How old are you to believe a game's logic is reality? You have no idea about me or my life. Don't bring reality into a fictional game. A VERY fictional one. This game is not real and therefore the actions of characters, whether you think them good or bad, is up entirely to you. You need a reality check if you think logic in this game set years upon years in the future with false wars and a diverse most likely opinionated group of people writing together on it. I'm sure they have different opinions and they are the writers. And yes, there are writers because this is fictional. Cayde is not real. So, in my opinion while reading the lore, playing the game since D1 vanilla, listening to speech, I think that Variks is falsely villified and that Cayde is always held to 'do no wrong,' when he obviously has. If you understand reality so well like you are preaching, then understand that there are no 'good' or 'bad' guys irl. It's entirely subjective. Where we may agree that someone irl is awful, someone else may adore them and love their actions. Cayde got himself killed by accident, aka Bungie wrote him off, Petra was left seething for vengeance, as were our character we play as (no, not us irl, we just have opinions which can agree to our character), Variks did something he didn't think about the entirety of consequences to, Uldren was doing what he thought was right, the Vanguard was trying to keep the peace but also avenge Cayde, and viola, Forsaken. It's a game, bro. It is not that deep, trust me. When you realize you are playing a game, you will understand that there is no reason to get this worked up and write me a short story on why you hate a character and blame him alone for an entire operation.

[quote]How old are you to believe a game's logic is reality?[/quote] You missed the point. Opinion =/ reality. Your personal opinion leads to conclusions about reality or lore or anything else, but corrections can be made. Opinions can also include the simple notion of right, wrong, obtuse (care too little or blunt in detail), ect.. Again, none of this (cayde and Variks) isn't documented. Therefore, we have a logical course of action. This course of action? Is based on the rules we govern by today- I break prisoners out of prison? One such manages to kill an elected official or otherwise leader? They are typically going to be hunted and killed regardless of where they are or what they try and do to hide. It may take years... but we will get them. We don't let that crime go unpunished for this reason. Cayde is dead. Variks helped in this regard. He admits to his mistake, mourns the outcome, and says he should answer for it. Good on him I say. I shall be his executioner. Bungie might very well take that away and kill him off-screen. Are you following the logic? [quote]You have no idea about me or my life. Don't bring reality into a fictional game. A VERY fictional one.[/quote] #1. No one cares about your life. No one. Even if they say so. This isn't a social corner where we sing together or find only like-minded individuals. The purpose of forums is DISCUSSION. I want you to PROVE that Variks will live. However, you may put that together or theorize or whatever. If you do not? Then I'm probably going to move to the next topic. #2. Reality is here because you are here. Get used to that statement. It is never going away and you should be happy about that statement above. Your intelligence would be lower if it was not. #3. Fictional or not, you need to learn a lot to make a simple statement work. You will understand that when you get older, but in short, the more knowledge you have? The better off you are going to be. We aspire to intelligence in both game and here. Welcome to the club youngster! [quote](no, not us irl, we just have opinions which can agree to our character)[/quote] You really need to learn to separate your thought processes better. You are confused now about reality versus game lore. Again, just let this go. [quote] It's a game, bro. It is not that deep, trust me.[/quote] "Your Honor, it is my request and opinion that only a small amount of intelligence should be exercised in this case in order to keep things simple for me. Thank you for honoring this request." Kiddo. You aren't in your 20's if you keep this up. These are not complicated pieces of work. This is simply reading the lore, listening to the game dialogue, and giving credit to the writers for telling a story with these expansions, and debating possibly murky details which are left open possibly for the next expansion or if you think it has another route like lazy writing. I swear the things you say are like trying to piece together pieces of a puzzle. You are not making clear enough sense of the given situation, but you want to keep debating this is a game and not reality? When did you get the impression that games played on a console or computer were reality? This is not a VR game since you are young enough to play those. [quote]you will understand that there is no reason to get this worked up[/quote] This is trying to understand the lack of common sense you seem to enjoy. Each post thus far has simply been me looking for your clarification and finding nothing kiddo. You want to find some form of discredit with the idea of game vs reality, but you fail to realize the posts are about established lore already. You could just as easily say, "I understand" and move on, but your childishness leads me to believe you aren't being truthful about being in your 20's. Maybe you are and that's a moot point, but you are not making consistent points and the conjecture you seem to hold is a video game can be confused for reality.

You gotta understand, that this was [i]Savathun's[/i] plan. She manipulated almost everyone. Variks was just a pawn on the chessboard used to lure out Cayde so he could be killed, lure out us to go on murderous rampage, us to figure about riven then kill her, and after that, release a curse on the Dreaming City. Variks did not know. He was also a little delusional at the time and sad for his people, especially the House of Judgement. Tho I still miss Cayde.

I hear a creepy voice in my head. I think it is my voice. “Wait. I should kill all the ordinary people and escape the city?” *looks around* “sorry. The voices.” *taps head* “I’m kidddddding… that’s not what they really said.” The psychotic variks needs his medicine and I’ll be happy to give it to him along with any hunter.

LIES there are people voting ! [spoiler]hehe must really rub you guys the wrong way then that he sends another Hunter to heaven every night 😘[/spoiler]

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