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As a casual solo player, you’re wrong. Also, you can’t use “analysis” and “snip-it” in the same treatise. It’s a rule, sorry.
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  • You don't have the max power level, and you're not even close. As a casual player who hasn't achieved the max power level by the end of the season, because the game demands you play PVP in order to progress at any pace? I don't know what you mean when you just say "you're wrong." You can't be saying that the grind is fast and easy, cause you haven't achieved it yourself. And from the other people I know who are annoyed with this system, they haven't either even though they regularly play PVP and weeklies. Maybe you are saying it doesn't matter to casual players? But that's not true, because I have already discussed with multiple people that this is indeed a problem for them too, and it is even an issue for people I know who play the game daily. So you can't say you're the representation of anyone but yourself, because I already know that to not be the entire story. Also summaries are absolutely a thing that are presented before many analysis, and they can often contain excerpts from the actual work. So I don't know what point you are trying to prove there.

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  • Edited by Inclement Karma: 8/23/2021 8:15:00 PM
    [quote]You don't have the max power level, and you're not even close. As a casual player who hasn't achieved the max power level by the end of the season, because the game demands you play PVP in order to progress at any pace? I don't know what you mean when you just say "you're wrong." You can't be saying that the grind is fast and easy, cause you haven't achieved it yourself. And from the other people I know who are annoyed with this system, they haven't either even though they regularly play PVP and weeklies. Maybe you are saying it doesn't matter to casual players? But that's not true, because I have already discussed with multiple people that this is indeed a problem for them too, and it is even an issue for people I know who play the game daily. So you can't say you're the representation of anyone but yourself, because I already know that to not be the entire story. Also summaries are absolutely a thing that are presented before many analysis, and they can often contain excerpts from the actual work. So I don't know what point you are trying to prove there.[/quote] You think “snip-it” is a thing. That contradicts your claim you’re capable of analysis, or that any analysis you do is credible. As for the rest, the only reason to reach max power is to do trials, raids, or gm nightfalls. None of those are for casuals. If you think you need to reach max power, you’re not casual. As a solo casual player, the grind is actually not bad at all. It’s not difficult to reach the soft cap or to completely level the artifact. Heck, I skipped almost all of the previous two seasons and still had three weeks or so at the end of this one to do other things after I hit 1310. So you have a completely bizarre notion of casual gameplay. If the system were dumbed down until casuals could easily reach the hard cap each season, there’s be nothing for the hard-core players to chase, because they’d be max level in a week. The system isn’t perfect, but it’s perfectly fine. Edit: tpyo

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  • Edited by Teuton Errant: 8/22/2021 9:51:07 PM
    [quote]You think “snip-it” is a thing. That contradicts your claim you’re capable of analysis, or that any analysis you do is credible.[/quote] If you do not believe that excerpts exist in analysis, critiques, etc etc... Then you're projecting your own shortcomings. It is common for one to provide summaries when they are not allowed to provide the full content. Especially when they literally link to the full content for those who are interested. This is not arguable, it is the standard. If you want to argue against the standard go for it, but don't pretend I'm not following standard procedure just because you wish to discredit me. Also, I use casual in terms of someone who will play the game a couple time a week for a few hours. Not someone who logs in once a couple months. I also never implied that casual meant they didn't do hard content. By casual, I mean those who simply want to play the game like any other game, have access to the content they should and not have any shortcomings when it comes to not receiving damage buffs because their power level isn't high enough because they haven't spent all of their time grinding. The grind for power level is emphasized by Iron banner and strikes which take into account power level to apply damage buffs and other benefits for those who did a large amount of grinding. So grinding makes grinding more easier... As if grinding for good rolls on guns wasn't enough, or grinding for the resources to upgrade them. Perhaps I should use "experienced" player instead. They learned about the game, they spend time on the game, but they don't want to play it multiple hours every single day to keep up with the newly added power level. No, it's not that hard to reach the soft cap. And I would argue that going from 1100 to 1310 is fairly balanced. However, it does not add to the game to have the power level cap raise every season. It doesn't add any game content. Even if the weeklies were required to get the highest levels, as they currently are, that would be fine. It would mean you would have to prioritize power levels and choose equipment with good rolls to use your upgrade modules with. This means everyone would have to go through a grind to prove they know about the game, but not have to re-prove themselves every time literally nothing changes except for the number. Upgrade modules would serve as something to upgrade your power level of weapons you got prior to reaching the max, which you will obtain plenty of up to that point. And they would always remain useful, because you still would need to do weeklies to get the max power level items, and normal drops are still around 1310, the soft cap. But you can still find weapons with perks you like and upgrade them to maximum power level, utilizing said power module and the power capped value you grinded for. You can grind at your own pace that way, and you grind for the ability to upgrade other equipment, not to constantly equip whatever the highest power level item you have is until you get to the seasonal max, and then restart the whole boring uninteresting process over again the next time the power system updates. But to invalidate your equipment and any upgrade modules you have used every couple months, is not to the player's benefit. Again, it's not just proving yourself, it provides actual game benefits such as damage buffs. If you prove you are capable for grandmaster strikes, you shouldn't be disqualified unless there is some new content you need to understand. An arbitrarily added 10 power cap isn't fair, or reason to disqualify players, except to make them grind further. The climb to the new power cap every season is slow and tedious. If it were faster, it might be more acceptable. But it demands constant dedication from the player. This isn't a fun or worthwhile gameplay loop. That should never, ever be your gameplay loop. If you want to chase some number because numbers going up makes you feel good, go for it. But don't lock gameplay behind it. Beyond a certain level, they should have made the power level purely cosmetic, so players could advance at their own pace and only those who are really dedicated to the game can show off how much more time they spend on the game than others. Also, hardcore players can still grind for god-rolls, and.... enjoy the gameplay? They either like playing the game, or they don't. The power level doesn't give them anything extra except for bragging rights, while actively harming other people's experience. Saying they would have nothing for them to chase is pure dishonesty, and you are prizing the power level irrationally. The system is flawed, and actively harms the player experience.

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  • [quote][quote]You think “snip-it” is a thing. That contradicts your claim you’re capable of analysis, or that any analysis you do is credible.[/quote] If you do not believe that excerpts exist in analytics, critiques, etc etc... Then you're projecting your own shortcomings. It is common for one to provide summaries when they are not allowed to provide the full content. Especially when they literally link to the full content for those who are interested. This is not arguable, it is the standard. If you want to argue against the standard go for it, but don't pretend I'm not following standard procedure just because you wish to discredit me. Also, I use casual in terms of someone who will play the game a couple time a week for a few hours. Not someone who logs in once a couple months. I also never implied that casual meant they didn't do hard content. By casual, I mean those who simply want to play the game like any other game, have access to the content they should and not have any shortcomings when it comes to not receiving damage buffs because their power level isn't high enough because they haven't spent all of their time grinding. The grind for power level is emphasized by Iron banner and strikes which take into account power level to apply damage buffs and other benefits for those who did a large amount of grinding. So grinding makes grinding more easier... As if grinding for good rolls on guns wasn't enough, or grinding for the resources to upgrade them. Perhaps I should use "experienced" player instead. They learned about the game, they spend time on the game, but they don't want to play it multiple hours every single day to keep up with the newly added power level. No, it's not that hard to reach the soft cap. And I would argue that going from 1100 to 1310 is fairly balanced. However, it does not add to the game to have the power level cap raise every season. It doesn't add any game content. Even if the weeklies were required to get the highest levels, as they currently are, that would be fine. It would mean you would have to prioritize power levels and choose equipment with good rolls to use your upgrade modules with. This means everyone would have to go through a grind to prove they know about the game, but not have to re-prove themselves every time literally nothing changes except for the number. Upgrade modules would serve as something to upgrade your power level of weapons you got prior to reaching the max, which you will obtain plenty of up to that point. And they would always remain useful, because you still would need to do weeklies to get the max power level items, and normal drops are still around 1310, the soft cap. But you can still find weapons with perks you like and upgrade them to maximum power level, utilizing said power module and the power capped value you grinded for. You can grind at your own pace that way, and you grind for the ability to upgrade other equipment, not to constantly equip whatever the highest power level item you have is until you get to the seasonal max, and then restart the whole boring uninteresting process over again the next time the power system updates. But to invalidate your equipment and any upgrade modules you have used every couple months, is not to the player's benefit. Again, it's not just proving yourself, it provides actual game benefits such as damage buffs. If you prove you are capable for grandmaster strikes, you shouldn't be disqualified unless there is some new content you need to understand. An arbitrarily added 10 power cap isn't fair, or reason to disqualify players, except to make them grind further. The climb to the new power cap every season is slow and tedious. If it were faster, it might be more acceptable. But it demands constant dedication from the player. This isn't a fun or worthwhile gameplay loop. That should never, ever be your gameplay loop. If you want to chase some number because numbers going up makes you feel good, go for it. But don't lock gameplay behind it. Beyond a certain level, they should have made the power level purely cosmetic, so players could advance at their own pace and only those who are really dedicated to the game can show off how much more time they spend on the game than others. Also, hardcore players can still grind for god-rolls, and.... enjoy the gameplay? They either like playing the game, or they don't. The power level doesn't give them anything extra except for bragging rights, while actively harming other people's experience. Saying they would have nothing for them to chase is pure dishonesty, and you are prizing the power level irrationally. The system is flawed, and actively harms the player experience.[/quote] 🤨🤣😂🧐 You still think “snip-it” is a thing, and are doubling down. Also, expecting to do endgame content while playing casually isn’t reasonable. If you want to raid and do GMs, do the grind.

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  • You genuinely seem to believe that posting emojis and saying something is so is enough to prove your point. When you have zero credibility, why should anyone believe you on how to analyze things? You are working against the norm, you don't have the norm to back you up. I worked against the norm and supported my claims about the power level system, but then I also followed the norm with my argumentation. It seems you need to do a bit of both as well but are utterly incapable. By not addressing my points and thinking emojis are enough to support your claims, you have damaged your credibility further. No amount of emojis or projection about your own doubling down is going to change that. I think you completely, perhaps intentionally overlooked my point about casual players. I even made the distinction that they may be called "experienced" instead. Those who learn how to do play the game, but don't want to grind to each new power cap. That doesn't mean they are inexperienced are incapable of doing raids. The problem is you and I probably have different definitions of casual, but you failed to actually take my definition which I explained into account. I know how to do the entirety of the vault of glass, where all the secret chests are, and all the secret shards, yet I consider myself casual. And I've taught other people how to do the raid too. Why am I repeating all of this? You can read it for yourself in the post you just quoted, but you chose not to.

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  • Edited by Inclement Karma: 8/23/2021 5:39:04 AM
    [quote]You genuinely seem to believe that posting emojis and saying something is so is enough to prove your point. When you have zero credibility, why should anyone believe you on how to analyze things? You are working against the norm, you don't have the norm to back you up. I worked against the norm and supported my claims about the power level system, but then I also followed the norm with my argumentation. It seems you need to do a bit of both as well but are utterly incapable. By not addressing my points and thinking emojis are enough to support your claims, you have damaged your credibility further. No amount of emojis or projection about your own doubling down is going to change that. I think you completely, perhaps intentionally overlooked my point about casual players. I even made the distinction that they may be called "experienced" instead. Those who learn how to do play the game, but don't want to grind to each new power cap. That doesn't mean they are inexperienced are incapable of doing raids. The problem is you and I probably have different definitions of casual, but you failed to actually take my definition which I explained into account. I know how to do the entirety of the vault of glass, where all the secret chests are, and all the secret shards, yet I consider myself casual. And I've taught other people how to do the raid too. Why am I repeating all of this? You can read it for yourself in the post you just quoted, but you chose not to.[/quote] Dude. You think “snip-it” is a thing, and you expect people to trust you’re capable of analysis? The problem with using unfamiliar words in an attempt to elevate your diction is it rarely works out, and has more potential to undermine your credibility than demonstrate your intellectual prowess. Seriously, you keep saying “snip-it.” Why should anyone read any further? So it’s pretty funny to hear you drone on about credibility when you clearly haven’t mastered grade-school vocabulary, and rely on sounding out words you’ve apparently heard but clearly don’t understand. And I’ve told you: endgame content isn’t for casuals. There is no reason casual players need to be max light. Soft cap is plenty, and easy to reach. If you want to do GMs, raids, or dungeons, accept the grind. Your problem is entitlement. You have x amount of time, and expect to be able to do everything the game has to offer. When you find out your time available doesn’t allow your goals, you complain about how your time isn’t respected. A mature person would adjust his goals to be more realistic. But you definitely should win a Pull-It Surprise for your top-notch reporting. 🤣😂💀 [spoiler]Snippet[/spoiler]

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  • Edited by Teuton Errant: 8/23/2021 8:33:43 AM
    Oh that's your problem? That's your strongest rebuttal to my argument? I used snip-it instead of snippet? You expect me to recoil in defeat because of that? That's literally the entire structure of your argument. In a world where language is constantly evolving and snip-it is actually fairly commonly used, you think that's going to save you. You expected this to be a huge gotcha moment, didn't you? The reality is I couldn't care less. I conflated two versions of the word and didn't use the most gramatically correct one. Wow, that just completely destroys my credibility. There are only like two thousand apps out there that use snip-it to refer to snippet, and I conflated the two on a destiny forum. This is the entire basis of your argument. When you have to base your entire argumentation off of (alleged) grammar mistakes, you know you've messed up. You have the audacity to critique someone about being mature when up to this point, you have been raving about a grammar mistake. [quote]And I’ve told you: endgame content isn’t for casuals. There is no reason casual players need to be max light. Soft cap is plenty, and easy to reach. If you want to do GMs, raids, or dungeons, accept the grind.[/quote] End-game content absolutely is for casuals. You can argue against that all you want but casuals are constantly learning how to do raids. I have yet to queue up with a casual team that could not learn how to complete a raid. I don't know if this is because you haven't done them and are afraid of them, or if it is particularly hard for you and you expect it to be super hard for everyone else too. But you trying to argue about gatekeeping content is laughable. No amount of grinding weeklies is going to prepare someone for raids or dungeons. You actually need to learn them. Increasing a number by doing X number of crucible matches a week, believe it or not, isn't related. [quote]Your problem is entitlement. You have x amount of time, and expect to be able to do everything the game has to offer. When you find out your time available doesn’t allow your goals, you complain about how your time isn’t respected. A mature person would adjust his goals to be more realistic.[/quote] Wow, would you look at that. Yes, I feel like I am entitled to play... content in a game... that wants me to play it... I'm sorry what's your argument? My entire point thus far has been if the game wants my time and money it should make me feel like my time and money are well spent. Yes, I feel entitled to a pleasant experience when playing a game. Otherwise there's no point in playing it. I think you tried to just bring up the word "entitlement" and expect to win everything there, without actually thinking things through. A mature person doesn't sit around and let themselves be tossed about by those who want to take advantage of them, which is funny, because that shows what kind of person you are. In all honesty, you should probably hang up the towel before you make yourself look like more of a fool. And believe me, you have made yourself look like a much bigger fool than he who uses "snip-it."

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  • Edited by Inclement Karma: 8/23/2021 8:09:09 PM
    [quote]Oh that's your problem? That's your strongest rebuttal to my argument? I used snip-it instead of snippet? You expect me to recoil in defeat because of that? That's literally the entire structure of your argument. In a world where language is constantly evolving and snip-it is actually fairly commonly used, you think that's going to save you. You expected this to be a huge gotcha moment, didn't you? The reality is I couldn't care less. I conflated two versions of the word and didn't use the most gramatically correct one. Wow, that just completely destroys my credibility. There are only like two thousand apps out there that use snip-it to refer to snippet, and I conflated the two on a destiny forum. This is the entire basis of your argument. When you have to base your entire argumentation off of (alleged) grammar mistakes, you know you've messed up. You have the audacity to critique someone about being mature when up to this point, you have been raving about a grammar mistake. [quote]And I’ve told you: endgame content isn’t for casuals. There is no reason casual players need to be max light. Soft cap is plenty, and easy to reach. If you want to do GMs, raids, or dungeons, accept the grind.[/quote] End-game content absolutely is for casuals. You can argue against that all you want but casuals are constantly learning how to do raids. I have yet to queue up with a casual team that could not learn how to complete a raid. I don't know if this is because you haven't done them and are afraid of them, or if it is particularly hard for you and you expect it to be super hard for everyone else too. But you trying to argue about gatekeeping content is laughable. No amount of grinding weeklies is going to prepare someone for raids or dungeons. You actually need to learn them. Increasing a number by doing X number of crucible matches a week, believe it or not, isn't related. [quote]Your problem is entitlement. You have x amount of time, and expect to be able to do everything the game has to offer. When you find out your time available doesn’t allow your goals, you complain about how your time isn’t respected. A mature person would adjust his goals to be more realistic.[/quote] Wow, would you look at that. Yes, I feel like I am entitled to play... content in a game... that wants me to play it... I'm sorry what's your argument? My entire point thus far has been if the game wants my time and money it should make me feel like my time and money are well spent. Yes, I feel entitled to a pleasant experience when playing a game. Otherwise there's no point in playing it. I think you tried to just bring up the word "entitlement" and expect to win everything there, without actually thinking things through. A mature person doesn't sit around and let themselves be tossed about by those who want to take advantage of them, which is funny, because that shows what kind of person you are. In all honesty, you should probably hang up the towel before you make yourself look like more of a fool. And believe me, you have made yourself look like a much bigger fool than he who uses "snip-it."[/quote] Wow, kid. “A lot of other [unspecified] people misuse words they don’t understand, too,” is quite the defense. You could’ve gone with a simple mea culpa, but why do that when you can pretend you’re somehow on the cutting edge of language evolution instead of someone caught using words he doesn’t understand? But we’re supposed to believe you’re [i]super[/i] smart and use unimpeachable logic, otherwise? You’ll also want to learn that making things up about someone else in order to create something to argue against isn’t logic. It’s even got a formal name as a fallacy, it’s so common and so egregious. Casuals don’t do endgame content. It’s pretty much the definition of a casual player. A casual player simply isn’t going to invest the time into the grind to get the best weapons and highest level. That’s why they’re [i]casual.[/i] “Respect my time!” is simply the refrain of entitled children who want things handed to them. You don’t want to put in the time to level, so you think it’s unfair that you have to—you [i]want[/i] to do endgame, but want it dumbed down so you can do it on your terms. That’s not how life works. If your time were actually valuable or worth respect, you wouldn’t spend it so frivolously demanding a video game bend to your will and revamp its content to be more convenient for you. People whose time is actually valuable and worthy of respect adjust their goals according to the time they have or are willing to spend. And it’s not even Bungie’s job to respect your time; it’s [i]yours.[/i] Like basic vocabulary, you simply don’t understand what a casual gamer is. Or you’re dishonestly trying to twist the concept in order to support your demand to have endgame content handed to you so you don’t have to level to access it. (In which case, it would no longer be endgame.) Stay in school, kid. Efit: tpyo

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  • Edited by Teuton Errant: 8/31/2021 7:25:02 PM
    [quote]Wow, kid. “A lot of other [unspecified] people misuse words they don’t understand, too,” is quite the defense. You could’ve gone with a simple mea culpa, but why do that when you can pretend you’re somehow on the cutting edge of language evolution instead of someone caught using words he doesn’t understand?[/quote] I never used a word I didn't understand. I used improper spelling of a word that I did understand. That's quite a simple concept, and your failure to grasp that means you a. Are dishonest and intentionally framed it in a way you thought was more incriminating or b. Have no understanding of the subject matter and are at best no more qualified than I am. [quote]Like basic vocabulary, you simply don’t understand what a casual gamer is.[/quote] You really tried to keep harping on this, but by doing so you showed everyone you don't understand the difference between incorrectly spelling something, and using a word's meaning incorrectly. You dug your own grave, now lay in it. [quote]But we’re supposed to believe you’re super smart and use unimpeachable logic, otherwise?[/quote] Here is another problem. I never hype myself up and say my logic is infallible, but you constantly do only to try and tear it down. You are constantly constructing strawmen. You act like I said or did something, only to tear your false representation of me down. And the funniest part is... [quote]You’ll also want to learn that making things up about someone else in order to create something to argue against isn’t logic. It’s even got a formal name as a fallacy, it’s so common and so egregious[/quote] You tried to call me out for using it (which for some reason you didn't point specifically to where I did use it, I assume because you can't actually find it and are just making things up) when you have been doing it this entire time. You keep pretending that I'm the only one who wants this, and that's the biggest sign to anyone reading this that you really aren't arguing in good faith. You completely ignore all the other requests for this and try to pretend this is an isolated demand. [quote]“Respect my time!” is simply the refrain of entitled children who want things handed to them. You don’t want to put in the time to level, so you think it’s unfair that you have to—you want to do endgame, but want it dumbed down so you can do it on your terms. [/quote] This is one of the biggest misrepresentations of my argument you have made so far, congratulations. I never said I wanted end-game content to be dumbed down. I want the requirements to do them to stop arbitrarily changing when there is actually nothing else to learn. I don't want them to hand me the loot from the raids that I refuse to learn how to do, I want them to stop barring me from doing them when I have already proven myself time and time again. I never said I didn't want players to prove themselves before doing content. I said Bungie utilizes the power system in a way to arbitrarily increase the grind, not to teach the player anything new. I have no problem leveling up to prove myself, the problem comes in when you have to prove yourself again and again despite nothing changing. I have made this abundantly clear in my post, you just chose to ignore it. [quote]That's not how life works[/quote] This isn't life... This is a game. I feel this is obvious to say but your comparison falls flat because you try to equate a game's grinding systems to real life, and your argument is that... Because in real life you have to work hard to achieve things, it is the duty of the game to provide tedious and monotonous grinds to simulate real life? Do you actually live a real life? You know, with a job. Because more often than not people play games to escape the monotonous grind of real life, not to embrace it. The only reason I could see this grind being worthwhile for anyone is if they aren't a productive member of society and want to feel like they are accomplishing something meaningful, but more importantly to have a simulated world where they can come across as more powerful than other players because they have the time to waste on the grind. This is why they would argue for grinding because that's where they find worth in their lives, their ability to spend time on things like this so they can have access to content others can't. That's quite pathetic. [quote]If your time were actually valuable or worth respect, you wouldn’t spend it so frivolously demanding a video game bend to your will and revamp its content to be more convenient for you. [/quote] You quite literally implied that people on the forums are spending their time frivolously if they want to try and improve the game. How exactly does this help your argument? Assuming what you say is true, then Bungie has not been receiving player feedback at all, and none of the changes they have made were ever based on it. Who would play a game like that? If a game is not convenient for the player they won't play it. Convenience doesn't equate to laziness. Convenience is one of the core things businesses look at when creating any product, including a game. [quote]it's not Bungie's job to respect your time[/quote] Yes, it is. This is a product that relies on consumers to play it. It is absolutely their job to respect my time and the time of others. That is quite literally how games work, to not drive away your audience and cut off your revenue stream. And you end with the stereotypical "haha you're just a kid" just as you started the post, in your hopeless attempt to harm my credibility without actually addressing my argument. If I were a kid, and if I were to assume you weren't, that would be devastatingly embarrassing to you, not the "kid" you are arguing with. If a kid beats you in an argument, the kid isn't the embarrassment just because they happen to be a kid. You carry the shame because you have lived longer and don't have as many excuses.

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  • Stop it or I will report you...... for them sick ass rebuttals lol. 10/10 A+

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  • Edited by Jamestown01010: 8/24/2021 12:49:13 AM
    WOW. “There are so few ballet fans left, Guardian, it would be a shame to lose you.”

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