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7/29/2021 7:03:03 PM
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So when I'm at work, my kids log into my account on xbox and play pvp and win. I reward then with chocolates and cookies... is this termed as paid recovery and should I be banned?
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that's not a recov, that's just smart business. [spoiler] on the kids part at least.[/spoiler]
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You are morally inept if you find nothing wrong with recovs.
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Morals are for losers. It's survival of the fittest out here. Morals are nothing but a built in excuse to not do something.
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and people's like you is the problem with gaming overall
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So anything goes?
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[quote]You are morally inept if you find nothing wrong with recovs.[/quote] There is nothing wrong with recovs. Respect the hussle. As long as they arent hacking. Its a video game where literally nothing in it matters much at all. The only semi logical argument is players will get weapons they didnt “earn” themselves but in terms of how the effects other players its a non issue. Giving a low skilled player a god roll Hammer isnt going to turn them into a god. If Slash gives me one of his 20 thousand dollar guitars im not all of a sudden be good rnough to go on tour with Guns n Roses lol. Also there is literally no way for Bungie to stop it. Esp since they are oushing for their game to be playable across all platforms a player owns.
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You do realise every online game ban people's for doing recovery /account sharing Im not respecting the hustle of some low life breaking ToS because he can't get a job and make the game worst in the process It's ban worth and they know...why You think all these post on LFG are from alts?
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[quote]You do realise every online game ban people's for doing recovery /account sharing Im not respecting the hustle of some low life breaking ToS because he can't get a job and make the game worst in the process It's ban worth and they know...why You think all these post on LFG are from alts?[/quote] And theres not a single online game that has put a dent into recovs services. Not one. Which is why again i say itll never end and it sure as hell wont be Bungie to do it lol. And i dont give a shit about ToS. If your that concerned with them your a hypocrit because i bet my life savings you break ToS all the time withiut even knowing. ToS are mostly bs that allows the dev to -blam!- over the consumer. If you think that recovs are whats really hurting this gamr you have no idea what you are talking about. Thats just ignorance.
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Edited by DarkMoonWolf666: 7/31/2021 3:41:48 PMNo game ban for recovery ? Oh you don't play a lot of games don't you....most MMO tracks IP logging and ban people's for account sharing Recovery makes trials way worst than it has to be... You sound like someone that profit in a way with it or don't fully understand the issue And how would I be breaking ToS all the time?
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[quote]No game ban for recovery ? Oh you don't play a lot of games don't you....most MMO tracks IP logging and ban people's for account sharing Recovery makes trials way worst than it has to be... You sound like someone that profit in a way with it or don't fully understand the issue[/quote] I wish i was skilled enough to do recovs and make money lol. Id do it in a heart beat. Name one game that has put an end to recov services. You cant. Wow, avengers, ff 14, etc all have huge huge markets for recovs. Much bigger than destiny. None of them stopped it. Sure they can ban some people. But they arent doing anything meaningful to stop them. And you know why that is? Because they know they cant. Not only do they jnow they cant they also know they dont really want to. Sure people like you will conplain like the sky is falling but they know its not gonna make you stop playing. And they sure as hell dont want to lose all the player doing it or paying for it. You think they want to ban entire clans that play basically 24/7 because they used someones account to get wins in trials? Of course not. Thats a horrible business decision. They will make statements and put on an act but nobody should be falling for it. Its no different than data mining. They could easily stop it. But they dont. They can tweet they it should stop but they love it. They love having people so interested they cant wait to find iut what happens. They love that entire forum communities are dedicated to spoilers and the attention it brings the game. Bungies pvp is over run with outdated hacks that they cant stop. They are incredibly behind on even slowing down cheaters yet you think they are gonna be able to stop recovs? Bungie is a business. Their one and only goal is to get more people playing ao they can make more money. Whatever your smoking you need to put down because your talking nonsense.
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They can't stop it entirely but there's still slot of ban for it... So By your logic we should just allow cheaters to cheat because there's a huge market and we can't stop them all? There's always gonna be stuff people's do that are against the rules especially if it makes them money....that doesn't mean we should allow it
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[quote]They can't stop it entirely but there's still slot of ban for it... So By your logic we should just allow cheaters to cheat because there's a huge market and we can't stop them all? There's always gonna be stuff people's do that are against the rules especially if it makes them money....that doesn't mean we should allow it[/quote] Im not talking about cheaters. In talking about recov services. Big difference. You take the time and the resources to stop cheaters because they impact the game for others. Recovs dont effevt anyone else in any meaningful way. If i pay someone to do the raid in my account. Does that effect you? No. If i pay someone to take my character through trials. Does that effect you? No. If i pay someone to get xeno on my account. Does that effect you? No. Again. Big difference.
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.... That's a terrible take ....
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[quote].... That's a terrible take ....[/quote] No. Its just logical. And logic doesnt seem to make sense to you.
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Oh the irony
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Edited by Enochua: 7/31/2021 2:46:51 AMBut it's not just a one time thing, is it? It's more like the person doing the recov has multiple accounts... Smurph account. It disrupts the natural match making. And recoves don't play alone usually, so the match making is further disrupted by their Sherpas tagging along.
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Edited by xbroggiex: 7/30/2021 7:04:20 PMPaid carries are fine imo as they still require the player to at least participate. Recoveries on the other hand do not require that person to participate at all. But both should be equally punished per Bungie's ToS. The real solution is to overhaul their modes to make recoveries and paid carries not worth it. Recoveries also open the door for problems with people stealing accounts, personal information or essentially deleting someones stuff and characters. Hence why there should be punishments when this happens, and most of the time when it happens they cheat anyway because why bother when you can make burner accounts? If a player knows there is a chance they could be banned they are less likely to risk paying for a recovery on an account they have invested time into, this also applies to the potential risks from the recovery itself as well. Bungie while they don't condone this stuff doesn't really care if you do it as long as you don't cheat anyway.
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Paid carries are against any online ToS
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Theres no way for them to stop them. Recovs have been a thing for a long time and companies far far far more competent with more reaources have never been able to stop it. So bungies chances are next to zero lol
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Edited by xbroggiex: 7/31/2021 7:32:37 PMRecovery services are so prevalent because Bungie neglects parts of their game, if they improved Trials for instance reward wise and increase token drops for playing longer into cards even with losses on it; then you'd see a bit of a decline in the demand for recoveries. Since most people want the Adept loot from flawless, I wouldn't be surprised if Bungie plans on having you be able to get 1 of the adept weapons a season from resetting your Trials rank when they finally bring Reputation ranks to Trials, that would in turn increase player involvement in Trials and make recoveries less worth it to players who pay for these services. Though maybe the single adept weapon a season from resetting your rank is just wishful thinking, we don't really need anymore sources of ascendant shards and prisms beyond what we will have next season. There will inevitably be people who do pay anyway, but there is plenty of ways to reduce the demand for it by actually... not neglecting your game.
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[quote]Recovery services are so prevalent because Bungie neglects parts of their game, if they improved Trials for instance reward wise and increase token drops for playing longer into cards even with losses on it; then you'd see a bit of a decline in the demand for recoveries. Since most people want the Adept loot from flawless, I wouldn't be surprised if Bungie plans on having you be able to get 1 of the adept weapons a season from resetting your Trials rank when they finally bring Reputation ranks to Trials, that would in turn increase player involvement in Trials and make recoveries less worth it to players who pay for these services. Though maybe the single adept weapon a season from resetting your rank is just wishful thinking, we don't really need anymore sources of ascendant shards and prisms beyond what we will have next season. There will inevitably be people who do pay anyway, but there is plenty of ways to reduce the demand for it by actually... not neglecting your game.[/quote] No matter what there will be people willing to pay. Has really nothing to do with that state of the game tbh. Recovs services arent just things like trials. People will pay for things like divinity, xeno, etc. Unless the reward is incredibly easy to get. There will be a crap load of people willing to pay for others to do it lol.
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Edited by xbroggiex: 8/1/2021 9:21:54 PMYeah, as I said there will always be people who pay money. But if you want to reduce the amount of people who actually pay you shouldn't neglect that part of the game. Recovery and Carry services go up in demand because Trials is just crap in terms of rewards and what you get out of it as a player. If the player feels like their time spent isn't worth it then they will be more inclined to pay for those services. Firstly, Trials gives you literally a pittance of tokens for actually playing it; you would have to do 2 weeklies and 4 dailies and 1 repeatable bounty just to get enough tokens for 1 package. That only changes minorly if you win a few games which only grant 1 token for a win unless you playing with clanmates, or playing on a card that grants more tokens at each threshold. Not only do you get a handful of tokens for engaging with Trials for quite a bit of time... these tokens also expire at the end of the weekend making it feel even worse to try to earn tokens for packages as you can't save them like any other token. You'd think its because you could save them up and potentially bypass having to play the mode in the future, but you only get granted items you have already earned and you'd have to earn at least 1 drop of a new item before you could get it for tokens. Then you get to the problem of the matchmaking... ever since Taken King switched from CBMM to card based Trials has consistently dropped in players, and having less players engage has only exacerbated the issue for the average player anyway. The only people left playing are the people who are invested into Trials anyway and only a few average to semi-hardcore players remain, less players equals to less equal matches. Since most of the average players play around 1-5 wins, this opens up a problem for them as the hardcore trials players will simply take these easy matches and reset their card as its the most efficient way for them to farm the tokens which they barely get any tokens from playing through a card anyway its better to just farm lower wins for easy tokens. This then makes it even less interesting to average players as they will barely get any tokens for any of the loot. Simply put / TL;DR Go back to CBMM. Increase token drops with 3 for a loss and 5 for a win and if they keep the expiration then make it grant more tokens for playing further into a card. No reset until the card is finished or has at least 1-3 losses. - both the increase token drops further into a card and needing a loss to reset will make it less worthwhile to keep resetting. Then you'll start to see a drop off in demand for recov/carry services specifically for Trials while also improving the mode to actually be rewarding to participate in. Also, make Trials bounties grant the same amount of XP as every other bounty as for some reason they all grant only 4k xp even weeklies that should grant 12k. For PvE stuff... well there isn't much you can do to change it in a way that doesn't make it incredibly easy to obtain items. For raid exotics probably just create a simple quest that asks you to do various little things in the raid like Divinity but less annoying.
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Edited by DarkMoonWolf666: 7/31/2021 6:27:16 AMDmca the site,ban people's advertising it in the LFG Make it clear to everyone that doing a recovery or using a recovery service will get you ban,look player login IP.... Lots of ways
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Edited by RonnieOP: 7/31/2021 3:25:20 PM[quote]Dmca the site,ban people's advertising it in the LFG Make it clear to everyone that doing a recovery or using a recovery service will get you ban,look player login IP.... Lots of ways[/quote] You cant DMCA a site for doing recovs. The internet isnt youtube where you click a few buttons and shit gets taken down lol Do you even know what DMCA stands for? A recov service is not a violation of copywrite lol. Also you know there is a shit load of web hosting services that dont care about takedown noticed and hosted in areas where bungie cant even take legal action against them. You think bungie had the resources to crawl through every site, forum, discord, televram, etc to find recov services? No. Sure they could stop it on their own forum. But since destiny is free to play anyone can make a dummy account to protect their real one. And even if they did somehow manage to stop it on their site it would be a drop of water in the ocean. Wouldnt make any meaningful impact. They make it clear now in their ToS. Has that stopped anyone. Player ip also wont work. Not all are static, vons exist, and in Destinys case they are specifically making the game cater to people who want to pkay the game anywhere on any platform. If it was as simple as you make it out. Why in over a decade hasnt a single dev been able to stop it? You live in a fantasy world if you think its going to end. You have a better chance of winning the lottery 3 tomes back to back than that. So might as wrll acceot it. Should be easy since it literally wont effect anyone else at all in any meaningful way.
