I'm willing to bet a lot you are wrong. The choice phrase was old and dark. He's drawing on his own experiences engrained in himself. You put him in a darker situation with what Mara will tempt out of him and you can easily piece together a Crow becoming Uldren once more.

All evidence suggests that a guardian is essentially an entirely new person once they are resurrected.

Evidence also shows guardians gain their memories back the more ties to the darkness they utilize. Just go look at Eris and our guardian.

Which memories from before being a guardian have we remembered? The only examples of remembering a past life seems to be with Exo guardians and even they aren’t sure if their memories are real. Eris doesn’t remember her past life, she was sent encrypted messages from Medusa claiming to know who she was before.

[quote]Which memories from before being a guardian have we remembered?[/quote] We did something terrible and our family has paid that price. We don't remember all of it most likely given memory fading. We've already lived a lot as a guardian, so it stands to reason we wouldn't remember something that specific about people we haven't seen in forever. Eris had fake memories told to us in Truth to Power, but has confirmed that the Ahamkara alerted her, and was later confirmed by a member of the Hidden, that she is a Last City resident/born. The fact is, the darkness has the power to unlock the repressed memories the Traveler has hidden away. This seemingly innocent transfer from Crow to his subconscious confirms you only need the right conditions to make it so.

No it’s doesn’t prove that at all. The Ahamkara’s showed her glimpses of her past life, they can grant just about any wish in some twisted way. They were trying to exploit her weaknesses. This has nothing to do using Darkness. No one has had a side effect of remembering their past as a result of using Stasis. Crow showed anger and frustration in a situation where those emotions are entirely understandable. Those emotions aren’t exclusive to Uldren Sov or even to bad people. You’re entirely clutching at straws. Crow hasn’t shown any signs of his old self, he’s as much a Guardian as anyone else. Mara may complicate things but even if she leads Crow astray somehow, he’ll never be Uldren again.

[quote]No it’s doesn’t prove that at all. The Ahamkara’s showed her glimpses of her past life, they can grant just about any wish in some twisted way.[/quote] The Ahamkara magic is not chaotic and misleading. It's truth to the user when they ask a question like that. This is straight out of normal D&D campaign and popular culture logic and settings that any wish or otherwise. They can alter or change the magic to INCLUDE more, but not exclude portions. As for the memories themselves? No. They showed her the life. It's not partial information. The wish was to know her life before she was a guardian. That is 100% of it. She doesn't just get to see a few things and not see others. Now, how to alter that information? Make it a quick flashback. The wish probably never asked for it to be normal-paced. she would see things in quick succession and then return (possibly) as this would prompt another wish and another one after that. [quote]They were trying to exploit her weaknesses. This has nothing to do using Darkness.[/quote] Your confusing truth to power and wild hunt lore. Memories from medusa were confirmed by Hidden members to be unequivocally false. It was Truth to Power meant to confuse US and exploit US. Eris got the real deal. [quote]No one has had a side effect of remembering their past as a result of using Stasis.[/quote] Not true. The guardian has repressed instances where we remember the instance of something we did wrong. Guilt was present about what we did to our family back then to save ourselves.

I’m not conflating anything; you’re the one drawing from multiple sources. D&D? Irrelevant. All of the Ahamkara wishes are twisted, they draw power and strength from wishes which is why they tempt those into making them. They have driven many insane. Once someone becomes are guardian, they are born anew but that doesn’t erase the actions of who they were before and being informed of those actions doesn’t cause one to revert to their former selves. Everything you’re saying is baseless and sounds more like fan fiction. Not to mention, Crow hasn’t even used stasis. There’s literally nothing to suggest he is becoming Uldren. [i]Nothing[/i].

[quote]I’m not conflating anything; you’re the one drawing from multiple sources. D&D? Irrelevant. [/quote] I was wondering why you were so argumentative, but when you said dnd irrelevant was the clue. You aren't familiar that Bungie has stated they pulled the wish magic from that concept. It's no issue really, but you need to follow the details of destiny lore more closely both ingame and out of game. There is a lot to more for you to absorb. [Quote]All of the Ahamkara wishes are twisted, they draw power and strength from wishes which is why they tempt those into making them. [/quote] Your incorrect. Go become more invested in the lore surrounding ahamkara.

“The Ahamkara draw upon their wish-granting magics from the Anthem Anatheme to transform desire into reality to suit one's purposes, using a characteristic phrase when addressing other beings, taking the form of "O/Oh (subject) mine". This phrase is apparently a curse, invoking paracausal powers of ownership over the addressee.” - Destiny wiki. “The origins of the Ahamkara remain a mystery. However, according to the Darkness, in the primordial state before time or the universe began, entities existed which derived sustenance from the gradient between "what was and what might be." This may hint at the origins of beings such as the Ahamkara, which continue to base their existence on the difference between actual and possible realities.” - from the wiki citing the gardener and winnower lore book. “During this time, the Ahamkara had congregated on Venus, where they appeared to be engaged in some form of terraforming endeavor. According to Eris Morn, no two eyewitnesses could agree on what the nature of this terraforming project was, or in what order the relevant events had occurred. A paracausal phenomenon was observed to have manifested over the site of the Ishtar Academy, and induced suicidal actions in at least one observing Guardian.” - citing plate and mask of the great hunt. I could go on but this [i]clearly[/i] illustrates that: the wishes are actually curses and are indeed twisted What they show you isn’t “truth” They have driven guardians insane and/or to suicide, as I said. It is quite obviously [b]you[/b] that needs to read up on the lore.

[quote]Destiny wiki.[/quote] I'm quoting bungie interviews from 2017 and 2018. It's not Anthem-related as much as the wiki tries to credit it. Here is the full explanation for [url=https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Wish#content]Wish.[/url] Notice how it stipulates A LOT of things down at the bottom? Like 33% chance to never use the spell again? Or the weakening of strength? This was the inspiration for the ahamkara placing those weaknesses on guardians. The ahamkara, however, could take that damage like Riven tried to do before she became Taken. This was the reason why guardians went insane and couldn't explain things correctly and likewise didn't result in you outright dying just from being present in the reality being changed. [quote]“The origins of the Ahamkara remain a mystery. However, according to the Darkness, in the primordial state before time or the universe began, entities existed which derived sustenance from the gradient between "what was and what might be."[/quote] Gardener and winnowar. Great quote highlighting an unknown faction back then quite possibly the ancestors to the ahamkara and potential evidence of an alpha being which eventually caused reality shifting to be utilized thus splintering to light-based (guardians) and quite probably ahamkara which is what people want to believe until it is confirmed. DnD however had the better explanation: Your natural [url=https://i.redd.it/89w1s697di861.jpg]alignment[/url] state is yours to determine and after the world events impact you? You can change it. What once made a hero in Rezyl turned him villain Dredgen Yor. Likewise, if you wanted to restore balance to the ahamkara? Simply wish for the ahamkara to be reborn into new bodies (here's to hoping no one makes that wish). [quote]According to Eris Morn, no two eyewitnesses could agree on what the nature of this terraforming project was, or in what order the relevant events had occurred. A paracausal phenomenon was observed to have manifested over the site of the Ishtar Academy, and induced suicidal actions[/quote] This was confirmation, ironically, for the dnd style which was spoken about years ago. It's not unusual that beings of paracausal nature fail to understand wish magic. Even the strongest of individuals still have failure at doing many of the items on 9th tier casting for a reason: it's not natural for someone to do that in their lifetime. Only the strongest get the chance to do those sorts of events and hopefully survive with minimal affliction for the cost.

This isn’t D&D! Stop trying to subvert actual lore taken from the game with D&D garbage. Even if at some point, someone at Bungie referenced D&D as an inspiration that doesn’t mean you can use D&D lore to explain Destiny lore. You understand that, right? I haven’t even seen this interview you speak of in the first place but even if it actually exists, inspiration does not equal plagiarism. The quotes I took from the Destiny wiki directly cite lore entries. It’s easier than going through every entry in Ishtar but I always check the source before copying anything. Therefore, everything I quoted is relevant and what you quoted is most definitely not.

[quote]This isn’t D&D! Stop trying to subvert actual lore taken from the game with D&D garbage.[/quote] Kiddo, this was an interview years ago. If you don't like D&D then refrain from posting. It's that simple. I will not go off of a gamer vs a bungie employee for sourcing. It's not that the ideas aren't intertwined at all it's simply put not the full explanation. Relax. [quote]I haven’t even seen this interview you speak of in the first place but even if it actually exists, inspiration does not equal plagiarism.[/quote] Three interviews actually. I don't recall exactly when because it was just that long ago. It was just one of those sit-down talks, but it was specifically about ahamkara and other things being talked about in D1 like awoken, etc.. [quote]Therefore, everything I quoted is relevant and what you quoted is most definitely not.[/quote] Sorry kiddo, but community input is one thing, but when the explanation is incomplete with what we know from interviews and other sources from Bungie themselves? That's not a good source to list. You need to broaden your horizons before you know the difference between enough information to be correct and enough information to when it is incorrect. I've watched people, on these forums, absolutely proclaim that no wish can truly be granted because it will be perverted for example. Also that ahamkara cannot be any alignment except evil even when the Riven lore was staring them in their face. Your no such exception thus far.

Okay so by your logic I can reference Star Wars and the force to explain our powers, yeah? Or Tolkien’s elves to explain the Awoken? It’s one thing to draw parallels when information is incomplete, it’s another thing entirely to replace existing in-game lore with lore from something else regardless of whether it was a source of inspiration to begin with. You’re talking nonsense. I’ve given you direct examples of when the lore has said something yet you decide that lore is unworthy in the face of your preferred explanation that comes from a different game. What you are writing is called fan fiction and that’s fine but don’t conflate it with actual in-game lore, “kiddo”.

[quote]Okay so by your logic I can reference Star Wars and the force to explain our powers, yeah?[/quote] It's irrelevant to me which source you want to use. If you want to reference Stargate or Hackers or Dark Matter or any other sci-fi aspect. The thing is: you can't tell a developer what to use or not use. That is their choice at the time of decision. That's all. [quote]It’s one thing to draw parallels when information is incomplete, it’s another thing entirely to replace existing in-game lore with lore[/quote] It's not a replacement. It's merely a more solid argument that was seen years ago by individuals who did it most likely for five minutes of fame out of a busy work day. [quote]You’re talking nonsense. I’ve given you direct examples of when the lore[/quote] I really don't know how to explain this simpler for you. [quote]What you are writing is called fan fiction[/quote] Now you're just grasping for straws. Agree to disagree.