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Edited by Sohsuh:
5/24/2021 8:28:56 PM
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Atheons room is identical to the portal room.
It's as simple as that. You can vision yourself standing at the stairs facing the same way as the people in the portal, which is very easy to do.
There's 3 oracles at the top of the stairs, and 3 across the bottom. You can label them 1-6, clockwise, starting from the one to the right of the stairs when you're in portal.
It's all so bloody easy. It's 3 oracles that pop up at a time only lol. The rooms are identical and the oracles spawn in same spots in both rooms. It's literally relaying information about 3 oracles from 1 group to another. It's mind blowing that anybody can find that difficult to do. This is insane.
Let me clarify this is insane after HOURS of doing it. At first you might need some time to figure it all out in your head, but the people that can't grasp it after 4 hours....
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The layout is the same. But the orientation of the oracles is reversed. Which is why some have suggested that those inside the portal run to the back so they can see the oracles in the same orientation. Because it simplifies the task. What you are asking people to do may be easy for you, but it is not easy for everyone. It takes a very strong visual and spatial sense to do what you’re asking...in real time...and under pressure. Part of leadership is understanding that people have different strengths and weaknesses and learn in different ways. Then adapting how you operate in order to get the most out of your team and what they bring to the table. Part of teaching is the temperament to watch people make mistakes, allow them the space to make the mistakes that are part of learning. It’s why, in my line of work, one truism is [i]”Easy to do. Hard to teach.”[/i]
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Numbers tend to throw people off unless your looking at a chart that everyone can see. We just ran to the back of the room and said either left front or back, mid front or back, right front or back. That simple
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[quote] We just ran to the back of the room and said either left front or back, mid front or back, right front or back. That simple[/quote] We did the same... all the way to the VERY back (not on the little island) and you can see every oracle in the same viewpoint as those in boss room. Bonus... we only killed the initial room ads (hydra and 3 hobs) you can ignore the ads as you are too far away from them. Occasionally one will run around the side but it's easy to just shoot it. Only thing we did different from your group was we used the words "close" and "far" as front and back could be construed differently (we ran into that in SOTP... our group called tank 1 side "back" and most other groups called that "front"... LOL, perspective!)
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Whatever works lol. My group ran DSC around 30 + times same people, after so many runs people know everything and just do whatever job. I'm sure VOGwill be the same
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Edited by Sohsuh: 5/24/2021 9:09:18 PMSee this is what I don't get. There's only 6 numbers. Who gets thrown off by 6 numbers? These are the people that I need to avoid when I run this raid. If you get confused over 6 numbers, or if you can't invert the room, then you probably shouldn't be running a raid lol. 3 at the top, 3 at the bottom. Clockwise Stairs 1 2 3 LOTS OF SPACE 6 5 4 Portals How in the absolute hell would somebody find this hard to grasp or confusing? It's 6 numbers. It's incredibly simple and easy.
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Honestly numbers confuse people. As soon as you get teleported head to the corresponding teleporter or dps plate and use this. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/688542635928846358/846523930873561118/Oracles.PNG Easy for most to understand. Got us through contest and been sherpa-ing 2 brand new at a time. Idk what it is but the numbers throw people off. I agree with your points tho raiding isn't for everyone.
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Buddy, I know what the rooms look like. I am an old vet of D1 with over 70 clears of VoG. I’m telling you what probably was going on that caused people to f up. If people inside are not looking from an identical location as the outside team, lefts and rights could end up getting screwed up by some players. It’s a rather simple mistake that can constantly de-rail a run. It’s also somewhat simple to correct if everyone is on the same page in the first place. Just a thought.
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After 4 hours you should be able to figure out something that is so incredibly simple.
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Or as a leader you could identify the issue, and get it corrected quickly enough where it doesn’t become one in the first place. Something I’ve also noticed based on what I’ve seen is people could be accidentally shooting Gatekeeper/Left portal incorrectly, as they are fairly close together compared to right portal and gatekeeper. Might not be entirely the case, but that is also a possibility. I mean sure there are some who may not get it, but this is now technically day 3 of the raid. I’d cut some people a bit of slack for the first week or so, personally. These are just the little things I’ve observed so far, and I myself haven’t stepped into this version myself yet.
