This raid (which most people had to use YouTube and copy the actions and load-outs of others to complete) is so simple and easy right? This is why everyone creates unique loadouts and team arrangements for the raid instead of copying Kackis' advice or some other sounding board Perhaps... idk, you all suck at teaching and communicating how to figure things out? Cause in every situation I have seen, it's the supposed (quick-witted) whom are the least adaptable and first to quit when things go wrong These are the people telling others to "get good" while they quit within ten minutes of "Deciding" their team won't make it Like that is literally the entitlement of these people- you be perfect or get out of my way Meanwhile if anybody took the bullet to teach others, most of the community would know what to do Far easier to get mad and blame another for "not learning fast enough" Meanwhile the "explanations" given by the critics is no more developed than "herp, watch this youtuber and copy them" Of course they would all know what to do, they "cheat the system" just to accomplish the bare min But hey, it's our lack of skill that leads to us just actually playing the raid and not over prioritizing roles, functions and agendas- cause you know... raids were once about fun Not the loot, or the rolls, or the emblems... but the fun of tackling a challenge with your friends Which is why people were pissed at the artificial handicap placed on the first day- people just wanted to have a good time with their friends- and most of the community's response was (WELL YOU SHOULDN"T EXPECT TO BE ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE UNLESS YOU ARE COMPETITIVE!" Competitive against whom? My fireteam or the adds? Why do people have to treat end game content as a esport just to complete something? And considering most "strags" boil down to "hey jim you stand here and do this all day and jamie you go and be this the whole day" I doubt it's skill that completes the raids- timing, prep and properly motivated assistance/leadership is what completes them I bet if this game had the player count of SWBF2 or even BF3 most of this "god-tiers" would fall flat on their faces and be unable to get kills at all- because the shear volume of combatants would provide equal opportunity for these people to fight others of their similar "skill set" Everyone cares abo0ut K/D but the most respectful thing? the sign of skill? How many assist do you help others with, how often do you place yourself at risk to protect others on your team, etc etc Real skills and behavior which are required to actually maintain a fighting force/milita- something these people and groups pretend to be... None of these players build others or invest into others, their selfishness is rewarded but not a sign of a need for Bungie to continue to spite core players in favor of try-hards AND casuals The every-man is tired of this crap, being forced into either spazzing out or not giving a damn at all is not what we consider Bungie's intentions were in creating this game One would assume it wasn't to promote PVP or PVE But a community united by a shared "Destiny"? Yet even our raid groups are formed through division, shame and "cultural" expectations

I’m tot he point where I basically call out EVERYTHING during a raid. I’ll literally call out damage phase, when certain enemies are spawning, oracles, wyverns, detainment fields, I’m sure it gets tiresome for my friends, I feel bad and I ask them if it’s annoying a lot. It honestly seems to make things go smoother though so I’m not complaining 🤷‍♂️

I would like to have a run with you pal thank you! My PSN is Pure_Scuttler 🙂

Let’s do it man

Dude! You are a gem! This is how military's work! Communication! It does help, and teams ought to do this more- instead we spend time bsing and gossiping or we are slient and trying to "focus" Lots of issues are solves by "working together", something I know the game never intended :p

Im a solo mainly player and i would like to attempt VOG with a chilled group. You're right, there are too many idiots on LFG.

You want to run with me later?

I was with you until you said the raid is easier than Deep Stone Crypt lol

While the tone may be negative, I cannot fault you for acknowledging a consistent issue when it comes to LFG. This type of issue quite literally broke my interest in raiding because I just couldn't deal with it anymore. Crown Of Sorrow is fittingly the last I've done. Garden at the time just seemed like it would be hell. Like any rational being, I'm forgiving of failure so long it is learned form, it becomes problematic once it's clear mistakes are not being fully realized and continued effort feels like a waste of time. Still, I'd stay until others bailed out, but I can't help but facepalm a complete disregard for mechanics after having them explained or an incapacity for survival that is seemingly beyond reasonable. Say it's the final room of CoS, if my partner and I can effectively spawn kill ads, I don't see how others can consistently struggle to survive so much when it takes so little. Just about everyone could be dominated almost instantly, but somehow I'd still find myself turning around to both people dead or one guy with no revive available, a wipe either way. By the game's design, you cannot do anything about this. It expects the struggling to carry their weight, so it's no surprise people start doing the same. What sucks is the thin line you're walking if you dare to talk about this because now you're suddenly the asshole that can't respect the circumstances of others or their lesser skills. It's a legitimate argument to be irritated by someone basically not being cognisant when D2 raids demand this more than ever and they practically refuse to learn from anything. It's arguably rude to expect others to carry your weight while you are simultaneously being a detriment to success for whatever reason. It's one thing if it's out of your control, but stacking on preventable wipes is bound to drive people away as the ultimate reality of LFG is that people are there to get it done not waste 3 times the amount of time they would just for someone(s) to get it together, and still probably not get what they were after. It sucks, but if people were actively seeking to tolerate this, they'd be shepherding.