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5/8/2021 9:11:59 AM
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Here's what I love about the pvp mains.
We've gone XXX amount of days with [i]no new maps![/i]
Oh my gawd did you see that new armor?! It looks [i]sooo stupid[/i]
These weapons are just reskins! Are you kidding me Bungie??
Stasis is Soo broken!
Roaming supers are sooo broken!
Hard light is sooo broken! I can't camp with my shotguns!
Shotguns need to be buffed!
Oh my gawd nerf abilities! What is this a space magic shooter?!
Oh my gawd arbalest keeps killing me! Nerf it!
Oh my gawd sleeper is so broken!
Oh my gawd queens breaker is so broken!
Why can't I just queue into a pinnacle pvp activity with randoms??
My favorite streamer said XYZ and I think this needs to happen! Raaa raaah raaah.
That all goes away if pvp was dropped.
That part of the community can play doom, quake, overwatch, CoD, Battlefield, unreal tournament, halo, whatever.
Bungie can make quirky guns and weird effects without having to worry about how anything would interact in pvp.
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A lot of nerfs directed at PvP have had just straight up no effect on PvE. You're going to tell me Hardlight being nerfed, or Arbalest having its aim assist chopped is hurting your experience? Most complaints made about the crucible sandbox are made due to poor decision making on Bungie's end. Stasis is still overpowered because they wanted some of that sweet pay-to-win advantage. Hardlight could just be mindlessly sprayed at a wall and shut down entire sections of the map. With Arbalest you could watch yourself miss and still get headshots. We keep needing to make complaints because bungie keeps making the same mistakes.
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The message in between the lines is that while people like to defend PVP all the time you have a good amount on the PVP side that says the aforementioned things that makes a clear picture on the state of the PVP mode. If I go to a restaurant and I order spaghetti and meatballs and the chef cannot cook good pasta, I can't trust them to make good sauce or meatballs. Bungie should handle the foundational issues of the game for PVE then move on to PVP. Crawl before You Walk.
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What's frustrating, and what gets people to push for so many crucible changes is that Bungie always gets so very close to a good sandbox, then they go ahead and do some stupid shit that makes it way worse. You could say "oh just focus on PvE first," but there are teams both focused on PvP and PvE, they're specialized. I don't know what's going on at Bungie HQ, but the things both sides are asking for aren't that impossible to achieve. At base, all PvP players are asking for is incentive, sandbox balancing, and a few new maps.
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Players have a bad habit of being tribal. I want both sides to work however as others have said in the past, PVE and PVP have an unhealthy marriage. Fix one before you fix the other. While it is true that they have specialized teams from both sides, they still do not provide. How many times are they going to say that they are learning, listening, sorry? How can they pretend like it's their first day fresh off of game development? I won't deny that there are things that they have done well but there are still foundational issues that this game is plagued with. The community as a whole needs to focus on this more often and get them to understand that perhaps core values should be reprioritized. It's not just bungee either. I could say the same thing about blizzard. When the Diablo 2 team split, it just wasn't the same. This isn't a unique situation. This is something bungee should take notes on and be better.
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And half the playerbase leaves.. and bungie decide destiny 2 isn't worth it.. Its not people moaning thats the problem. Its bungies way of fixing issues they created.
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It's a bit of both.
