I’m not trying to do anything. I’m just stating facts. I’m just one of hundreds of thousands of players who have walked away from Crucible because it is an inferior product that delivers a substandard experience. Bungie can do as they please. They just have to live with the result in the marketplace. I’m not calling for it to be removed. I’m simply stating that it is an anchor on the part of the game that the vast majority play, and is preventing that part of the game from reaching its considerable potential. All while trying to provide a pvp experience it never has done successfully, and never will.

[quote]When SBMM was the norm, Crucible would pull around 600k and spike to 800k .[/quote] LMAO complete LIE You’re so full of shit.

[quote]I'd actually cheer it (No disrespect to PVP players). The marriage of PVP and PVE in this game has always been a bad marriage, and one that has always kept this game from reaching its potential as a PVE game and as an RPG. Because the entire game is limited to the narrow range of game mechanics that SHOOTER gamers are willing to accept. Also, Bungie----right now---is utterly lost as to how to go about creating a PVP experience that is relevant in 2021....and all the changes they keep making to Crucible in Destiny 2 keeps making the play experience worse. Not better. In short, Destiny PVE and PVP need to get a divorce, for irreconcilable differences.[/quote] First of all let's put to bed a couple of myths. What "changes to Crucible" are you talking about? We haven't received any changes for a year. The lack of pve changes isn't do to pvp somehow holding the game back, but rather the shortcomings of pve and some the errors of the pve team. Crucible hasn't received -A new map -New Gamemode -A ritual weapon (which weren't that appealing anyways)... ...In almost a year. I'm talking general pvp and comp, not including Trials (which suffers from some security shortcomings from bungie and other issues). Iron Banner hasn't seen a new gamemode since d2y1, where's clash? rift? I'm sorry you don't enjoy pvp. I know you mentioned you liked the ohk abilities in d1 like sticky gernades, I don't blame you. Easy way to get kills. If your having trouble getting kills just use a felwinter or a bastion and run towards the enemy. I myself suck at halo, not a fan of the gameplay. Doesn't mean I think the mutiplayer is terrible and needs to go away, lots of people enjoy it, I just acknowledge I'm just bad at halo. If pvp was absolutely terrible from day 1 then how is it so popular. People like true vangaurd, ifrostbolt, hush, kruzer and nkuch wouldn't have gained such large followings if the pvp was absolutely objectively bad. Some people like one sandbox over another. Bungie has also made changes that "only effect pve". So they can balance the two. If they had a nerf hit pvp and pve. It was probably intentional and they would've nerfed it in pve eventually. Also this example is for fun. But the lunafaction nerf also hurt pvp. We liked to spin up suros and fire forever down a hallway or sight line. It was rather fun and you could do cool things with it. But those pve people nerfed it and "held back" the game. We've had 7 years to reach our "potential". And we have 2 years left. You stated d2 was a "successful game". It's also a popular game. So a complete overhaul to a rpg game isn't happening. You can play another game if you want a conventional rpg. Don't like first person shooters, go play another game. I'm not trying to be mean, but I just want to save your time.

Yes it is. I’ve been here since Day one of the first game. While Bungie would occasionally tune the sandbox differently in spots, those pve only changes frequently got rolled back, and Bungie devs were constantly giving interviews saying that they refused to seperate the sandboxes because,”It’s important that both sides of the game feel the same.” Only I’ve been here long enough to know that Bungie has the nasty habit of taking things that they are forced to do...and spinning it as if it was something they [i]chose[/i] to do. Facts are almost certainly that separating the sandboxes back then weRe either impossible, or so much work Bungie didn’t want to be bothered. Since splitting with Activision, Bungie has been more transparent and more candid with us as to why they do things. For example, in the recent TWAB wher they just straight up told us that moving LFRs to the special slot was too difficult and too much work. The Bungie from three years ago would have never been that honest, and would have crafted an excuse as to why leaving them where they were was forced the good of the game. When Beyond Light dropped Bungie made sideways references to new capabilities that they put into the game and that they’d start to make use of slowly over time. I believe they were referring to the ability to tune pve and pvp separately, and the stasis nerfs to behemoth were the trial run of making extensive use of that capability to draw a broad difference between how pve and pvp play. But even this doesn’t go far enough and won’t balance the game in the pvp side.

Kelly muted me so this isn’t for HIM, this is for YOU, the person reading this, someone who may be on the fence of this issue... Sounds good doesn’t it? That pesky PvP, holding back the PVE portion of the game... but let ask you this: Why in an unprecedented era, marked by an utter lack of PVP support have we seen The largest number of negative, lazy, and confusing nerfs to the PVE sandbox? If you think that the elimination of the crucible will somehow stop this trend you are mistaken.

[quote]I’ve been gaming for almost 40 years and gaming in pc for nearly 25. Your turn....[/quote] Almost 40? LoL you’re still a kid then. Is almost 40 supposed to mean something? Besides, age doesn’t make you smart. You’re a known shill and now a known lier for Bungie. ZERO CREDIBILITY.