Shotgun apes will ape and withhold using abilities if they have the chance to have better handling. Surplus is basically Quickdraw if you have full abilities. That being said, shotguns in general need some tuning. Felwinters will still be op due to shot package and opening shot. Ran about 4 IB matches back to back yesterday full of shotgun apes. These guys don't engage, they slide around like idiots firing shots until one lands. If they feel like they're gonna lose, they bail. This is not fun. I became patient with one idiot, 3 slideshot misses, he ran out of ammo so I took my shot a killed him. Again, this is not fun. He was sore after the fact and made it a point to prioritize killing me over anyone else after figuring him out, basically stealing him teams kills, then teabagging after every one. I want some real engagement. Some real gun play that encourages good accuracy and involvement to land a kill. If you're sliding around, firing shots until one actually connects, you should not be proud. This guy looked like a fool. Again, I dodged 3 of his shots before he ran out of ammo. Dude was not going to use a primary and these types of people bail immediately when they realize their shotty won't work because they don't know how to aim. Also, give us dedicated servers, Bungie. Tired of losing a match due to teleporting players.