450s need a lil ickle bump but outside of that, they're fine in PvE for me. Miss my Halfdan tho 😕

I honestly wouldn’t mind the auto rifle spam meta again, because right now, I don’t really think it would be that oppressive considering everything else right now.

It wont happen for pvp since the last time they received a buff sweats and streamers -blam!- till they got nerfed again. As for pve yes most definitely they need a buff.

Dude, every gun is awe full right now except hand canons and shotguns. Autos I think would be ok if they would nerf the hit box on hc’s to head only and have severe damage falloff after 30m instead of them 3 tapping at 50m. Autos are still pretty good it’s just with hc’s being so incredibly overwhelming and overpowered right now every other class of weapons seem useless.

My Khvostov and I have some choice words for you right about now, bud. Lmao

ARs have a place. It's called the Vault.

They should definitely have more viability, and I believe that they should have a similar range to hand cannons (or have a shorter range and allow pulses and scouts to compete, idk), acting as a more forgiving alternative at the cost of a worse TTK, but by a very small margin. My take may not be the best, but I just feel like auto rifles would fit well in a medium-range, low-risk kind of category.

But kid cannons that require 0 skill were cried about and finally got buffed

They had a brief rein in pvp, but then after(about 5months) got the axe. Adaptives and Rapids clap dat ass in pve, but their roll in pve is to break shields. So this limits them to "armor-piercing rounds" perk. Which then only give the player two options limited to two element sub types. GoS & Trials are not exactly general population friendly, combine this with RNG and limited ability to viably farm......... This answer is highly meta and you can make any thing work in destiny 2 but if we are talking about true optimizatiuon energy weapons combined with heavy weapons strip shields while kinetic weapons will be your output work horses via 10% increased damage. Dont like it? I dont care as thems the breaks scrub, embrace alittle sword logic. But its also the same reason gen pop uses ticuu's over death adder when ever "Hot Knife" & "Overload" is a active modifier. Its easy to obtain, not actually good. The only one that breaks the mold is 7S carbine, which is only because of its WMC generation potential. But again then you are giving up your special slot with the 10% damage boost. Edit, public service announcement for ya all: its worth noting they already nerfed WMC very hard. WMC kills no longer generate ammo bricks(Season of the Hunt stealth nerf), Fireteam Medic only heals the player that pop'd the WMC and no longer the rest of the fireteam(Season of the Chosen Stealth Nerf))

600s and 720s do alright 360s don’t feel very punchy for how slow they fire 450s are AWFUL. In EVERY way.

[quote]Auto rifles are awful[/quote] Nah, it's Bungie's sandbox and the people above them that actually make a lot of the calls that are awful, it's part of the reason the sandbox lead dumped this company as many others have because of the absurd amount of dumb decisions in this game. Not that not playing your own game for 6 years would have anything to do with that, but what do I know right? If I remember correctly, one of the first nerfs in D1 y1 was Auto rifles, and since that day Bungie went on a rampage of nerfing everything in the game and a few things multiple times destroying weapons and other things in the game pushing their agenda, [b](but calling it "balancing the entire game by saying we want weapons to feel the same across the entire board".)[/b] Whatever that means because this game nor D1 has ever come close to being balanced, and the weapons literally do not feel or work the same across the entire board. Gee, is it because they are literally not supposed to work the same across the entire board knowing there are 2 different aspects of the game? [b]This flawed logic is why D2 base game was a huge flop that Bungie almost lost the entire player base. They thought they could balance PvE as the same as PVP and destroyed what Destiny was about and they are still working off the base game.[/b] They said they weren't going to do what they did in D1 and that is literally pushing their agenda but it's exactly what they have been doing since Forsaken. I get things to need to adjusted, things need to change up but to treat one aspect of the game as the same as the other is the most asinine thing I have seen any company do because making the same adjustments or making adjustments [b](to please only 1% of the player base is just wrong and it will always affect the other.)[/b] It's been 6 years, they need to wake the hell up and realize what they are actually doing to this game is wrong, or at least somone give them a swift kick in the ass and show them how to at least try to get their act together.