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The dumbest thing I have read all-day 🤦‍♂️ It was only you saying "please pay attention to me KG" I got your back😂

Honestly keep nerfing and changing stuff. I would rather all my gear be usable in end game content then be locked into a small set of gear. There will always be stronger stuff. I haven't used swords all season because rockets are strong and fun.

[quote]This is what happens when you don't allow the devs to sunset gear. Nerfing things is now the only way to manage power creep. Which is what would happen if you kept buffing things to match the power of the most powerful items in the game.[/quote] You just never give up do you. Sunsetting never was going to balance this game. Even Bungie didn’t believe in that aspect of Sunsetting, as they NERFED falling guillotine BEFORE its expiration date WHILE Sunsetting was still in implementation. Stop lying to people KG, and get a life you armchair developer 🙄

[quote]You just never give up do you[/quote] Because the facts of the situation don't change, and I (and others) said that this was what was going to happen next, while people were too busy celebrating the "victory' over sunsetting to bother listening. [quote]Sunsetting never was going to balance this game[/quote] Sunsetting isn't about "balancing" anything. Its about controlling POWER CREEP within the game's loot (armor and weapons) while still being able to give the player power to chase. In short, these games can't give you endless power to chase....and then let you keep all of that power. They either have to let the gear keep its power...and then take the gear away (sunsetting/rebooting). Or they let you keep the gear...but then take its power away (nerfs). Without that you destroy the game. So you have to choose one or the other. [quote]Even Bungie didn’t believe in that aspect of Sunsetting, as they NERFED falling guillotine BEFORE its expiration date[/quote] Bungie BUFFED sword damage by 30% in order to get us to use them. BECAUSE WITHOUT SUNSETTING THERE IS NO NATURAL TURN OVER IN THE META OR PEOPLE'S LOADOUTS. What every is at the top of the power pyramid...until its removed. So Bungie had to actively CHURN the sandbox to get people to freshen their loadouts. Something you don't have to do with Sunsetting. Also Bungie nerfed FG BEFORE Sunsetting was implemented (it was last summer) and AFTER they'd caved on keeping Sunsetting in the game. They did that because they wanted to get us to use Rockets launchers instead....which they (suprisingly enough) buffed by 30% as they started to clawback the power they'd put into swords. They are nerfing swords now because sunsetitng is gone....and because there are fights in the Vault of Glass raid that swords (at their current level of power) would quickly make a mockery of. [quote]Stop lying to people KG, and get a life you armchair developer 🙄[/quote] Actually why don't you take the time to actually LEARN WTF you're talking about....and get your facts and your timeline straight before you accuse someone of lying. Simply because you don't LIKE what they're saying. Get your own house in order before you try to take my inventory.

Sunsetting doesn't make a natural turn over of the meta bungie does. They saw 110 hcs were never being used so buf them to kingdom come. They saw rockets never being used, but they make them top tier in end game content. All sunsetting did was diminish the loot pool to where bungie couldn't keep up. I like the idea of sunsetting if it is implemented properly and also if the company actually wants you to play how u want to play. But we didn't get either

[quote]Because the facts of the situation don't change[/quote] Got that right. Sunsetting was never going to balance the game OR solve power creep. They nerfed mountaintop BEFORE it’s expiration date. They nerfed falling guillotine BEFORE it’s expiration date. [quote]Because they BUFFED swords 30% in order to get us to use them.[/quote] Yup, in case you hadn’t noticed, Destiny is and will always be just numbers to Bungie. Usage rate numbers. Damage level numbers. They tweak these all they want, whenever they want to sculpt their own META as desired. Sunsetting not required. “Natural?” You have a problem.... [quote]Actually why don't you take the time to actually LEARN WTF you're talking about....and get your facts and your timeline straight before you accuse someone of lying. Simply because you don't LIKE what they're saying.[/quote] I am aware that Sunsetting didn’t actually take affect until BL dropped. But during season of arrivals, gear got expiration dates, including FG. It was nerfed BEFORE it’s sunset date. Why? I thought Sunsetting was gonna control powa cweep KG. Didn’t Bungie believe that? Oh wait...nope. Your entire conversation crumbles at that this point. Bungie nerfs and buffs at will, Sunsetting or not. Again, stop lying to people on the forums about your weird fetish with Sunsetting and power creep. At this point I can even believe you haven’t been banned for spreading disinformation. But I suppose Bungie is so desperate for defenders that they will let indiscretions like yours slide 😒

Still spinning the same hostile bullshit story. 1. Read my lips. Sunsetting ISN"T about balance. Its about MANAGING the loot system. You don't sunset gear to balance the sandbox. YOU SUNSET GEAR SO THAT EACH GENERATION OF LOOT DOESN'T KEEP HAVING TO BE MORE AND MORE POWERFUL TILL IT REACHES THE POINT THAT IT BREAKS THE GAME. Sunsetting wasn't going to "balance" the game....because that NOT what it does. 2. Because----of the lack of sunsetting----Bungie has to CHURN the sandbox in order to create an effect (artificially) that NATURALLY occurs with sunsetting. When you rotate a powerful piece of gear OUT of the game, people NATURALLY STOP USING IT (duh....). So if you want them to use something different....you just give that power to something else in the loot pool. Sunset the current crop of powerful swords.....give that power rocket launchers that you're adding to the game. So this constant back and forth of nerfs and buffs becomes UNNECESSARY for managing power creep or the PVE meta. 3. That's NOT SUNSETTING. NOTHING was sunset until Beyond Light Dropped. So Swords were NEVER nerfed during any time in the game when Sunsetting was active so your entire argument is based on a FALSE premise. Bungie nerfs to control power creep (now that sunsetting is gone) and to refresh the meta in PVE (because sunsetting isn't around to do that naturally). Even with Sunsettign they still have to nerf to BALANCE the sandbox for PVP....becasue they FOOLISHLY force the two halves of the game to share the same sandbox. And it (still) is not working well. Which is why with the latest round of stasis nerfs Bungie is starting to seperated them...and tune them differently.

[quote]Still spinning the same hostile bullshit story.[/quote] Whoa whoa whoa pal, language. You really are temperamental. Take some deep breaths and focus. An expiration date IS Sunsetting. The fact you dispute this is absurd. The expiration date is literally HALF the Sunsetting system. So yeah, Sunsetting was in place during arrivals, as gear got expirations dates. Then some gear like FG got nerfed, BEFORE it’s expiration date. Thus Sunsetting was never intended to control power creep. If it were, Bungie would have left the loot alone. They didn’t. They chose to tweak the numbers (nerf, buff). And actually Sunsetting absolutely could be used to balance the sandbox. I remember quite well the conversation surrounding the pinnacles. With them getting sunset, the idea was that they would be used less and not at all in certain playlists thus allowing the devs to not worry about how broken such weapons were. I don’t know if you realize, but controlling power creep and balancing the sandbox go hand in hand. Bungie has done what they always do, break stuff (nerf) fix stuff (buff). Such tweaks are not ONLY for power creep, or are you suggesting that the buff to scouts was purely a power creep issue? That’s absurd to even think about. As a recap, Sunsetting literally wasn’t going to do anything you said it was. I don’t believe it, and more importantly, neither did BUNGIE, otherwise they wouldn’t have nerfed gear before it’s expiration date. Stop lying to people KG, and find a new topic to discuss. Your credibility is crumbling.

You were the one who called me a [b]liar.[/b]..and now you're trying to gaslight me by pretending that my anger in having my character attacked by someone who doesn't know what he's talking about and can't get his facts straight is somehow [i]unreasonable. [/i] Muted. I have neither the time nor the patience for bad faith actors. Go annoy someone else.

[quote]You were the one who called me a [b]liar.[/b]..and now you're trying to gaslight me by pretending that my anger in having my character attacked by someone who doesn't know what he's talking about and can't get his facts straight is somehow [i]unreasonable. [/i] Muted. I have neither the time nor the patience for bad faith actors. Go annoy someone else.[/quote] Um, you are a liar. You are LYING to people about the intent and supposed benefits of Sunsetting. But again, if anything you said was remotely true, Bungie wouldn’t have nerfed gear before it’s expiration date. So, if what you say is shown to be untrue....that makes it false yes? If you continue to spew falsehoods that makes you a liar yes? Muted? I guess I won then. The mighty KG cannot handle cold logic and facts. Find another job you armchair developer.

When KG mutes you, it means he got cornered and he's running away. You won. That's his signature losing trade mark. Lmao.

Feels good lol

OMG, after reading everything, this dude can dish it out but he can't take it. KG is a liar and him trying to pass off the "power creep" BS in this game using sunsetting is laughable. The nerfs in this game have been happening for 4 years with or without sunsetting. What part of that does he not understand when it has literally been in his face for 4 years?

Yeah, KG likes to state his opinion as facts. He’ll say stuff like “every loot game does this.” Obviously not every loot game does it. Obviously Sunsetting wasn’t working out for Bungie, or they wouldn’t have canceled it, and believe me, it had nothing to do with player backlash. Bungie does what they want, when they want. Period. My biggest gripe with this clown is his constant tirade about Sunsetting. He makes it sound as though it is absolutely necessary, when a compelling case can be made to the contrary. He says stuff like “a game will die without it.” But offers no proof. Just says wild things.

[quote]My biggest gripe with this clown is his constant tirade about Sunsetting. He makes it sound as though it is absolutely necessary, when a compelling case can be made to the contrary. He says stuff like “a game will die without it.” But offers no proof. Just says wild things.[/quote] KG over exaggerates a lot of things, and it why people give him a hard time. He is trying to mislead the community but no one is falling for it. The game is not in danger of anything other than boredom.

[quote]KG over exaggerates a lot of things, and it why people give him a hard time. He is trying to mislead the community but no one is falling for it.[/quote] I hope no one is falling for it. His dishonesty is quite appalling, and I can’t believe he hasn’t gotten a forum ban for spreading disinformation.

KG is protected by the mods on this forum. Rumor has it that he was invited to the studio so you can figure out the rest from there...

Community wants to have it's cake and eat it too, as usual. As much as I realise the problem that power creep presents, I still maintain that the way Bungie implemented sunsetting wasn't great. They removed too much all at once and didn't add in nearly enough to replace it. Personally I wouldn't mind it if we got occasional nerfs and buffs to the outliers with a hard loot reset every other major expansion or so, so every couple of years.