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1/6/2021 3:09:41 PM
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When people respond to something new with curiosity rather than fear (anger)?
Many of the world's problems tend to heal themselves.
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Yes. They would. Unfortunately we as a species will never learn.
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Edited by Breach: 1/7/2021 8:09:25 AMFear/hatred is often a safer approach. Curiously killed the cat, after all. Not saying I agree with it but it makes sense as to why it’s so prevalent in this world. It also doesn’t help (in this particular case about racism) when people get called bigots for attempting to learn about others heritage.
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Edited by kellygreen45: 1/7/2021 9:12:04 AMOnly if you’re living in a cave huddled around a fire at night to keep predators away. The problem is civilization changes faster than our biology. We are wired for a world that doesn’t exist anymore. No one gets called that word for trying to learn. They get called that word for judging what’s on the inside based on what’s on the outside. Which gets back to my first post.
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[quote]Only if you’re living in a cave huddled around a fire at night to keep predators away. The problem is civilization changes faster than our biology. We are wired for a world that doesn’t exist anymore. No one gets called that word for trying to learn. They get called that word for judging what’s on the inside based on what’s on the outside. Which gets back to my first post.[/quote] You seem to be under the impression that civilization is permanent. It is, as they say, only 3 foodless days away from total anarchy. That world still exists, we’ve just managed to convince ourselves otherwise. You’d be surprised.
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Edited by kellygreen45: 1/7/2021 6:39:05 PMWhat are the odds of that happening in an industrial society? Slim. The place in our human nature where the question of that arose? That’s the voice of survival fear, and fear of scarcity. Is a part of our biology that has outlived its usefulness and causes more problems for us than it solves. Because there are bad actors out there who have turned preying upon that fear into an art form....and a fountain of personal wealth.
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[quote]What are the odds of that happening in an industrial society? Slim. The place in our human nature where the question of that arose? That’s the voice of survival fear, and fear of scarcity. Is a part of our biology that has outlived its usefulness and causes more problems for us than it solves. Because there are bad actors out there who have turned preying upon that fear into an art form....and a fountain of personal wealth.[/quote] A single EMP is all it takes to wipe out all electronics in a large continent area if not larger. Without electronics, farming would be crippled. You seem to think because it HASN’T happened yet that it WON’T. Ok and? Survival fear will NEVER outlive its usefulness. I have no idea where you came to that conclusion. Perhaps you should walk in areas where predators such as bears, wolves, or alligators live and try spending a night under the stars. Or if nature isn’t your style, try walking in the “bad part of town” with a rival gang’s colors. Any emotion can be capitalized on, not sure why you’re singling out fear.
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The only way you'd get an EMP on that scale would be either through an all-out nuclear exchange between nuclear superpowers (like US v Russia or US v China). Or a catastrophic coronal mass ejection from the Sun on such a scale that it overwhelms the Earths magnetosphere. In either case, you'd be looking at not only "black swan" events. You'd be looking at Extinction Level Events on a global scale.
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[quote]The only way you'd get an EMP on that scale would be either through an all-out nuclear exchange between nuclear superpowers (like US v Russia or US v China). Or a catastrophic coronal mass ejection from the Sun on such a scale that it overwhelms the Earths magnetosphere. In either case, you'd be looking at not only "black swan" events. You'd be looking at Extinction Level Events on a global scale.[/quote] Alternatively, a hack could do the same thing. “Oh but the systems aren’t on any network!” With some careful planning and social engineering (specifically dropping infected hard drives in the parking lot), any system is vulnerable to be breached. How do you think we took down Iran’s nuclear power plants? How does that exclude I’ve said? Would the people not tear out each other’s throats while it happened?
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[quote]Alternatively, a hack could do the same thing[/quote] No. Because you can't gain access to an energy source powerful enough to destroy electronics on that scale necessary. You can DISRUPT societal functions by disrupting computer networks and the utilties they control....but you can't destroy the computers. Especially devices that aren't connected to power grids. ....and none of even the world's most powerful nation-states or corporate entities would either have the motivation or the reach to do any of this on a global scale. What you are doing is simply indulging in fever of anxiety and paranoia.
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[quote][quote]Alternatively, a hack could do the same thing[/quote] No. Because you can't gain access to an energy source powerful enough to destroy electronics on that scale necessary. You can DISRUPT societal functions by disrupting computer networks and the utilties they control....but you can't destroy the computers. Especially devices that aren't connected to power grids. ....and none of even the world's most powerful nation-states or corporate entities would either have the motivation or the reach to do any of this on a global scale. What you are doing is simply indulging in fever of anxiety and paranoia.[/quote] Nothing you said disproves anything I said. My original post was about how a city was 3 foodless days away from anarchy. Bottom line is that it can be done/happen.
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[quote]What are the odds of that happening in an industrial society? Slim.[/quote] Sure, a massive food shortage happening tomorrow or the day after is very slim. But millions of people are going to be starving because of this pandemic worldwide. So starvation and shortages if food are a real possiblity. Given a long enough time, we will be hungry again. Even prosperous empires such as Rome fell. There is no reason to think we won't have hard times to get food on the table again.
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Edited by kellygreen45: 1/14/2021 12:14:15 PM[quote]But millions of people are going to be starving because of this pandemic worldwide. So starvation and shortages if food are a real possiblity.[/quote] No. SARS-CoV 2 isn't [u]that[/u] lethal. The Black Death (Bubonic Plague) killed 1/3 of the Human race....and didn't create famine on a globally significant scale. Yes, the virus needs to be taken very seriously. But there is no need for panic and catastrophizing. The economic problems we are facing are self-imposed ones. (I won't get into the details as to why because I don't need the headache from mods). But there is no need for panic or resorting to doomsday scenarios.
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There is enough for everyone’s needs. Just not enough for everyone’s greed
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[quote]There is enough for everyone’s needs. Just not enough for everyone’s greed[/quote] Indeed. North Korea is a prime example.
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North Korea puts its resources into its military rather than food.
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[quote]When people respond to something new with curiosity rather than fear (anger)? Many of the world's problems tend to heal themselves.[/quote] Good observation
