[quote]Bungie: Glacier grenade - "A grenade that creates WALLS out of Stasis shards to block damage and FREEZE targets; these WALLS can be SHATTERED for damage." Bungie: Shatterdive - "Activate while midair to QUICKLY descend and SHATTER nearby targets on impact." Ghostfire 239 Troll: IceWALL Shatterdive combo doesn't FREEZE According to Bungie you are wrong, it will be obvious to other people reading this. A combo that first freezes and then shatters, then you say the combo has no freezing, I'm done with you troll.[/quote] ...I'll try to explain this to you again. You kept implying that Shatterdive itself freezes enemies. Here are some quotes of you saying so: [quote]doesn't freeze instantly??.... have you not seen shatterdive.[/quote] [quote] Nobody breaks out of shatterdive when caught by it.[/quote] I've been trying to tell you from the very beginning, that Shatterdive itself does not freeze anything. Icewall is what does the freezing. Here's a quote of me saying so: [quote]Shatterdive doesn’t freeze anything. The ice wall grenade is what does the freezing which all classes have access to.[/quote] So, don't try to twist my words, you illiterate dumbass. Not mention that, the freezing from the icewall grenade doesn't really matter for that combo because that's not what makes it strong. The whole reason why that combo is strong is because whisper of fissures increase the damage that shattered crystals deal to opponents and increase the range of the shattered crystals. That allows it to kill opponent that are not frozen by the icewall. That's also why Titans are able to do the same thing despite not having shatterdive. They just slide through the crystals and the crystal explosion itself is what does all the damage. Hell, you can even do it on Warlock if you have a grenade launcher of a bow. I wouldn't expect you know that, though. [quote]And you make silly comparisons to a Throwing Knife that has bonus headshot damage that can instant kill and is fast. Warlock projectile doesn't have that. Trying nerfing all hunter projectile speeds by 20% since you claim it doesn't matter, I am certain that crucible players will hate you. If the melee was effective at 10-18m before nerf, then of course it will be less effective afterwards at those ranges with a nerf, but you are ignorant about the factor of speed, so its pointless to keep arguing with you.[/quote] You're right. The Warlock projectile doesn't kill in one hit to the head. It also doesn't have to deal with the charge up animation that the ohk throwing knife deals with, nor does it require you to hit a headshot to really take advantage of the melee ability. Not to mention that throwing knifes don't have splash damage except explosive knife which has a delayed detonation. Also Explosive knife and Knife trick don't ohk and yet a lot of people still use them at 10m to 18m. Why? because that's simply a good range to land those abilities. Anything further than that and you're just gambling. So by all means, nerf the projectile speed of throwing knives, however in exchange remove the charge up animation on weighted knife. If anything, that would be a buff. A projectile speed nerf wouldn't affect it at 10-18m unless it was something like a 70% projectile speed nerf. A 20% projectile speed nerf (which is what y'all got) wouldn't change anything in those ranges. [quote]The splash is so small, and only works when attacking from above or have target BE DIRECTLY ON a wall, that it doesn't matter. Crucible players with common sense just evade when they see a warlock in the air. Your acting like a small small amount of splash makes up for speed and you are wrong, but again you don't understand speed. Go hit a 100 players, and tell me how many out of those come from splash. I estimate 10 if your lucky. Enough troll.[/quote] Once again, if you're using it at 10-18m then most players will not have the time to get out of the way before it hits them, or the ground near them. I've used this melee plenty even before it got buffed back up. Hell I even hopped on my friends Warlock to play comp for him and hardly struggled at all because of this melee's effectiveness. The range buff hasn't really changed anything for me, because even if it has more range now, the best place to use it is still going to be 10m-18m. If you're struggling to use this melee that's on you. Don't go around trying to act like this instant freeze melee ability somehow desperately needs a buff.

"But it doesn't matter if you get frozen the whole combo is happening. If you're in range to get frozen you're in ranged to get dived/slide on. This combo happens with the titan slide too." That was the whole point I was trying to make from the beginning, and he wasn't getting it. He just kept grumbling about specific wording. I never wanted to get into a debate about freezing and mechanics... because it doesn't matter, it's all about the end result which is instant death. Its implied to get kills with shatterdive, of course there must first be something to shatter. Again that is not the point, its was always about the end result. It just turned into a pointless convoluted argument.