Are butt slide shotty's an issue for you as well or do you use said tactics yourself? Asking for a friend...

lol no - that at least requires you to move, aim & outmaneuver. At the very least you’re putting yourself in a compromising position to make a play. The problem I have with the other three weapons is they promote lazy & slow gameplay without any of the effort needed for correct positioning or target acquisition.

Moving, aiming, and outmaneuvering are basic fps skills. I would argue that bastion, mountaintop, and arbalest take about the same amount of that as a shotgun. You don't have that and you're gonna lose any gunfight, no matter what.

That’s fair but the point I’m making is that these three weapons elevate the average player to compete with guys they have no business beating normally. Put Felwinter’s Lie in the hands of a 1.2 - 1.5 KD player & that’s how he’ll perform on average but give him an Arbalest or Bastion & then magically he’s winning [i]gunfights[/i] at a higher percentage; there’s a reason why people switch to these weapons when they’re losing.

I dont think I agree with that either. Arbalest is just a worse sniper that's harder to flinch, throw a sniper or someone decent at gunfights at them and they often wont win. Of course it hits some shots that it shouldn't, but that's what I consider the tradeoff for the charge time to be. Harder to get shots out, easier to land them. And when it comes to bastion, it wins fights against primaries and unprepared shotguns. Shotguns also win those fights. It's just a shotgun with charge time, and the tradeoff being an absurd damage output. Could that be tuned? Absolutely. Bastion is not fun to die to. Someone can miss an entire burst or two and still kill, but they're often not winning gunfights that they wouldnt already with a shotgun. Edit: Realizing I didnt make an argument about mountaintop, this is because I agree with you on that. That is the one where I will agree that it is absolute no skill bs.