[quote]I think you may just be misinterpreting the quote. You are focusing on the word Sliders[/quote] Actually, there has been a lot of debate lore-wise about the concept of the multiverse for the sake of characters dating back to Curse of Osiris DLC for D2 and all throughout D1. The multiverse has been a constant debate topic too among a few theories dating back to the VoG days. It is a belief the vex as time travelers are the individuals capable enough to put someone into a multiverse setting and this is why the specific D1 mission paradox was ever relevant as the corpse we found in VoG WAS praedyths and yet, we heard him. [quote]they are using Sliders as a reference to the fact that many of the episodes had very similar worlds, similar characters, or similar actions in these alternate universes.[/quote] This is something already confirmed on the concepts behind alternate universes. Things can change, but they may not basically. Bungie is using this to point out a similar characteristic among the expansion and possibly to say we might have the capability to travel to a different universe with similar characteristics to it. [quote]The article is saying that behaviors of the GAME World (Video game's code/programing) will seem off (similar but not the same as before) which is what many episodes of Sliders was about. Certain actions taken by say a Fallen, in game, may be different than how you would expect the Fallen to have acted before this change in code.[/quote] The most recent movie, Spiderman: Enter the multiverse, basically confirms all that. Sliders as a show, also confirm this. The developer is basically saying they are utilizing the concept by design and not an accident. [quote]So why would a reference to Sliders have lore implications when it is discussing changes to the coding of the game?[/quote] The same reason why the retcon and change key aspects when they do updates. Like the Last City background or why subtle world changes suddenly appear. Or many other things: They are saying it because there is a bigger story being told since D2 original and it's basically not something they expect people to pick up on and piece together. The reference for this can potentially be this is a direction being chosen and a path being walked which is why I made the post. [quote]I hope I explained that the article in questions does not have any lore implications on the level that you previously thought it might have.[/quote] On the contrary. Your mind is not open enough to include the possibility your wrong. Which is your choice to be limited on. [quote]I don't want people coming up with theories based on a misconstrued tech article that has no implications on the story side of Destiny.[/quote] What any single person wants is irrelevant. The story and programming are why we play this game and to learn about lore is to consider the potential considering it has been in the game since the beginning. Two games are out and you probably still couldn't explain the discrepancies in the VoG or what purpose was fulfilled there. The changes in our lore points that something has been out of sync. [quote]While multiverses/multi-timelines may be a thing in Destiny don't use this tech article as proof of such.[/quote] It's a concept dating back throughout D1. It's either confirmed or it has an influence somewhere. My question is to what extent and the TWAB brings that question to the front. The multiverse idea, one of many I remind people of, is one explanation... but not necessarily a solution for us. [quote] Keep up the theorizing. :)[/quote] This isn't a theory. A theory is an educated guess or hypothesis. This is based on incomplete evidence that places it in strong conjecture territory considering what we know about the Vex and Bungie decisions surrounding them.

The first quote you took from my previous reply states "You are focusing on the word Sliders" and you precede to elaborate on a multiverse being a concept in Destiny, as if I was arguing against the idea that Destiny has a multiverse, which I was not. My response to your initial topic is [b]EXCLUSIVELY[/b] debating the quote you pulled from the 9//24/2020 TWAB, not the possibility of a multiverse existing in the world of Destiny (which by the way I do believe that Destiny is headed towards some form of a multiverse, you also conveniently quote me saying as much in your seventh quote). So your responses trying to prove that Destiny as a whole has a multiverse have no relevance pertaining to my comment. The next quote you discuss is the basic premise of the show [i]Sliders[/i], in which you agree with what you quoted me as saying. Then you proceed to state "a similar characteristic among the expansion" and I'm not sure what is being debated in reference to "the expansion". After that you use this "a similar characteristic among the expansion" as evidence that Bungie might allow players to travel to other similar universes. The third quote used is clarifying the Tech Article in question is discussing the effects of coding on the Game World of Destiny (without lore implication). Conveniently you did not mention the example I included in the comment that clarifies this third quote. So I'll call back to the TWAB to give you another example that DAldridge, the writer of this part of the article, used to clarify what was meant when he said "these changes are under the hood and won’t affect your experience" which in itself implies that these changes wont effect the lore of Destiny. One of the changes that DAldridge talks about is relighting EDZ and Nessus. This means that these two destinations will get some revamped textures and better lighting to bring them up to modern standards visually. Does that have lore implication pertaining to Destiny having a multiverse? No, no it doesn't. And that is what the entire Tech Section of 9/24/2020 TWAB is talking about, improvements to the Game World so it looks nicer and so Bungie can more easily add content to the game. Your response to the forth quote is stating retcons and "change key aspects" occur in updates, which by updates you mean the TWABs. This is true, however when Bungie does perform a retcon in the TWABs it is specifically stated as a section of the TWAB discussing the lore not a Tech article. Also, if you plan to bring up the On the Power Climb (Nov 6, 2019) article where Savathun talks to us through or underneath dmg04, note the fact that what Savathun says is clearly denoted within [brackets]. And since the Tech article in question does not use anything similar to Savathun's [brackets] to denote anything else talking to us (besides DAldridge) this line of thought can't be used to pull secondary meaning from 9/24/2020's TWAB. Next the change to the Last City's background is brought up as proof. Yes, the Last City's backdrop did change when the Almighty crashed which is a change in the programming side of the game to show the story happening; however, in the case of the Almighty crashing it was a progression of the lore that required a change in the programming to show the Almighty's effect. This is not the same as the Tech article. The Tech article is a change in programming that is not caused by lore story-beat. So, the Last City's background change cannot be used as an example of 'coding represents a change in lore' because the Almighty crashing is an example of 'lore forcing the programming to change'. Fifth quote. When did I ever say my mind was open or closed in my comment. You are putting words in my mouth here and then belittling me by calling me limited. Your response to this quote has no place in a factual discussion. In quote number six I am simply expressing the fact that spreading misinformation is bad and unhealthy in any community and I would prefer if misinformation (such as your original assumption about the Tech Article in question) would not be spread as fact, as you implied with the TWAB in your initial comment. Your response to quote number seven echoes your explanations to quote number one and have already been answered in the first section of the comment. (And no, this TWAB doesn't bring this question to the front because the reference to [i]Sliders[/i] has no implications on the lore of Destiny which is the whole point of my initial comment as well as this one) Quote eight. Now you are dissecting my use of the word theorize. The word theory was not being used in the context of the Scientific Method but rather it's definition of an unproven assumption, i.e. conjecture; which is one of the definitions of the word theory provided by Merriam-Webster Dictionary. Hopefully, by now you fully comprehend what my initially comment was trying to clarify and convey. PhNx Hellfire, if you still are not convinced I'll give you one more line of thought to help set this debate in bounds. You appear to be convinced that the Tech article has implications on the lore based on the changes to the coding that effects the game world (including texture and lighting updates to the EDZ and Nessus, curious behavior differences, and the temporary removal of the Prophecy Dungeon). So by proxy of your belief that these changes have lore implications you must also be willing to admit that other bugs such as not being able to turn in an exotic quest; the Wish Ender glitch that allowed it to deal 16x its normal damage if you shoot through a blade of grass; or even the crashes that occurred by using Pocket Infinity all have lore implications because these bugs, glitches, and changes all exist in the same realm of coding changes/updates. The article [i]TALKING TECH – PREPARING FOR BEYOND LIGHT[/i] from the 9/24/2020 TWAB has zero implications on the lore of Destiny. [i]Sliders[/i] was used exclusively in reference to changes of the game's coding that might cause bugs when visiting older content in Destiny 2. Please take a deep breath and think about it, please. And to any brave soul that made it through this entire discussion between PhNx Hellfire and myself, well done your are built of truly strong grit keep protecting the citizens of the Last City.

[quote]you proceed to elaborate on a multiverse being a concept in Destiny, as if I was arguing against the idea that Destiny has a multiverse, which I was not.[/quote] You should reread your statement and draw a conclusion on it. If you were in fact not stating a multiverse concept then your either really bad at trolling or unaware of how to formulate the topic being discussed in this thread. [quote]My response to your initial topic is EXCLUSIVELY debating the quote you pulled from the 9//24/2020 TWAB, not the possibility of a multiverse existing in the world of Destiny (which by the way I do believe that Destiny is headed towards some form of a multiverse, you also conveniently quote me saying as much in your seventh quote).[/quote] You are trying to convey a single quote and not reference the matter at hand and by engaging in the conversation you are saying you want to debate the quote? The quote is the quote. It came from the TWAB and not another source. I don't understand what you are trying to contest other than the idea of the multiverse which is the topic at hand. [quote] So your responses trying to prove that Destiny as a whole has a multiverse have no relevance pertaining to my comment.[/quote] If you are admitting this then you do not understand the context of the discussion. The quote is a strong conjecture statement made by an official source for all things Destiny and has seen evidence in the game (whether it was an intentional design idea or part of a different solution set we have yet to realize remains to be seen). By this logic, your statement makes sense but is not acknowledging the precedent already established. I'm sure you are misunderstanding the situation, so please clarify at your leisure. [quote] Then you proceed to state "a similar characteristic among the expansion" and I'm not sure what is being debated in reference to "the expansion".[/quote] Clarification: The Curse of Osiris expansion is the only DLC reference I have made regarding the Vex and a multiverse ideology. There are other sources, but the main vex expansion is still CoO. We learned a lot from it. [quote]After that, you use this "a similar characteristic among the expansion" as evidence that Bungie might allow players to travel to other similar universes.[/quote] Actually, there is that idea already in play, but that is a topic to be discussed later. The idea of different timelines and potential universes is the mercury story being told in D2. Is it possibly other things? Yes. [quote]The third quote used is clarifying the Tech Article in question is discussing the effects of coding on the Game World of Destiny (without lore implication).[/quote] There is the confusion then. It does have lore implications in the fact every detail and change in Destiny has lore implications. There is no change that does not have that as it must be explained. Whether it fits in a time window in the past we didn't get to see or otherwise is why we have the Destiny Timeline of Events at all. Some events might be excluded from that, but I fail to see how Beyond Light will not be lore related or how coding things in a given setting and changing them POTENTIALLY (as this leans that there is only a possibility of things to change) will need to be explained. [quote]Conveniently you did not mention the example I included in the comment that clarifies this third quote.[/quote] I didn't see the need to mention one speculative posture or idea which may or may not be true. You clarified that clearly enough and no further discussion was needed on it. It may or may not come to be as you stated. [quote]So I'll call back to the TWAB to give you another example that DAldridge, the writer of this part of the article, used to clarify what was meant when he said "these changes are under the hood and won’t affect your experience" which in itself implies that these changes wont effect the lore of Destiny.[/quote] No. Under the hood, as an expression is a metaphor for data or other software related implementations which have an impact on the end-user experience, but will not be understood unless you have the relevant experience. The point being taken is an end-user will need to look at relevant tasks in order to understand the logic being done. This is a software use of the phrase, but the lore aspects of this mean we will have ranges of success or degrees of relevance and theories of solutions instead of guarantees or flat out solutions now just to point out a few metrics which they imply are going to change from time to time. [quote]One of the changes that DAldridge talks about is relighting EDZ and Nessus.[/quote] This can be a skip in time or another more relevant event from a lore perspective (just to provide an obvious one). [quote]Does that have lore implication pertaining to Destiny having a multiverse? No, no it doesn't.[/quote] See Sliders references. Also, modernizing anything is to make something more relevant than another component. While I do not know and certainly Bungie hasn't publicly acknowledged their processes as far as I know, the implications are still there. [quote]And that is what the entire Tech Section of 9/24/2020 TWAB is talking about, improvements to the Game World so it looks nicer and so Bungie can more easily add content to the game.[/quote] Changes within the environments themselves are not the issue at hand. It's the idea of changes occurring within the framework to support the theories being presented. If the multiverse idea is to work, for example, things couldn't stay stagnant. The concept is the similarity, but also the subtle changes. Yes, newer technologies will be developed and utilized from the Bungie side, but that doesn't stop the conversation as it merely reinvigorates the conversation to new areas of explanation. I fail to see how you don't want that to be the reality. You are in the lore section of b.net. [quote]Your response to the forth quote is stating retcons and "change key aspects" occur in updates, which by updates you mean the TWABs.[/quote] Actually, I mean any update to the game setting which is neither reported or reported in any form. TWAB is one such source, but you will also notice they (Bungie) do not tell us when they change the Last City which shows updates to new buildings and neighborhoods. As implied, some changes are small and not mentioned, but are still there nonetheless. [quote]This is true, however when Bungie does perform a retcon in the TWABs it is specifically stated as a section of the TWAB discussing the lore not a Tech article.[/quote] Same explanation as above. Lore is the explanation and catalog of history behind the action taken. [quote]Regarding Savathun or anything related[/quote] That topic is for another thread entirely. [quote]Next the change to the Last City's background is brought up as proof. Yes, the Last City's backdrop did change when the Almighty crashed which is a change in the programming side of the game to show the story happening[/quote] I'm actually referring to Red War craters being filled with water like lakes and then further construction filling those in for new buildings. These changes were simply never announced but could be observed same as some of the EDZ changes to the Cabal base. [quote]The Tech article is a change in programming that is not caused by lore story-beat. So, the Last City's background change cannot be used as an example of 'coding represents a change in lore' [/quote] I know it's the same quote from above, but you are not speaking about the same changes. The Almighty is one event. There is a lot of other details which go into the game for those who look for changes and enjoy finding them like clues to the next expansion or idea. Remember in D1, for example, before the first raid launched? We had Praetorians suddenly appear in the patrol zone or the Crotas End reflecting five new squads of enemies around the entrance to the hellmouth lower areas. Each update is not necessarily cosmetic to the background. Bungie does these things with a purpose. [quote]Fifth quote. When did I ever say my mind was open or closed in my comment. You are putting words in my mouth here and then belittling me by calling me limited. Your response to this quote has no place in a factual discussion.[/quote] Statements made by me regarding that are observations. You clearly wish for details to be given, but don't look for them and thus, you are too closed in your comments to reflect the knowledge to which you proclaim to have. I'm making the suggestion for you to do some observing of the game world is all. [quote]In quote number six I am simply expressing the fact that spreading misinformation is bad and unhealthy in any community[/quote]\ I agree and wish for you to consider the relevance of a discussion rather than outright try and disprove something. It's arrogance and pride talking. Not intellect. Again, just an observation. [quote](And no, this TWAB doesn't bring this question to the front because the reference to Sliders has no implications on the lore of Destiny which is the whole point of my initial comment as well as this one)[/quote] Sliders being referenced is the concept of the multiverse and your own admittance to that fact is that it cannot have implications because it was explained in a single way, but we should have no explanation for those changes contradicts the purpose of lore. Sorry, but you are mistaken entirely. See the comment about opening up.

Multiple comments later you still insist that the topic we are discussing is the overall possibility that Destiny has a multiverse, which is incorrect (it’s like talking to a brick wall located in Sweden that thinks it is part of the Great Wall of China). You claim that I need to go back and reread my previous statements, however you are the one who should go back and read my comments; because I specifically state, then reiterate because you didn’t catch on the first time, that my comment is clarifying what the reference to [i]Sliders[/i] is referring to. And since you clearly are not interested in discussing the Tech Section of 9/24/2020 TWAB’s relevance to the [i]Sliders[/i] quote (which it originated from) there is no point in continuing this “debate”. Your responses are so off kilter to the subject at hand that when I mention Savathun’s interactions with us through one of Bungie’s posts all you can say is “That topic is for another thread entirely.” When it is entirely relevant due to the fact it is the only time that lore was used in a subtle implication as part of a bungie.net post, which is the same implication that you have been trying to argue that the [i]Sliders[/i] reference has on Destiny. So, do not expect another response if you plan to continue to ignore the scope of the conversation at hand, which ironically you have accused me of doing.