Explain to me how getting better will help with a player who’s from across the continent ending up my lobbies. What piece of tech or skill am I missing

Those players are already good lol, they don't need to take their own advice.

I don’t take playing blueberries and winning as getting gud

Dope so then we all suck. Why can’t I play with ya then?

They are good, they are down to play thier peers in the competitive modes designed for it (survival, trials) and are down to play anyone they match in quickplay - as in the entire playerbase and not only play thier peers in what are supposed to be the laid back casual modes, bottom tier players wont be rewarded segregation by virtue of being unskilled across all modes.

Sounds like you are just avoiding the fact people are more than willing to say git gud but can’t handle that challenge themselves. Oh but I shouldn’t have to git gud in blank game mode, but you should git gud in all of them if you don’t like playing a high skill level player. Such a joke

Can't handle the challenge themselves? Remind me which players grind to 5500 in comp with its sbmm? Good players. Which players go on 7 win streaks in trials and play other high tiers? Good players. They're more then up to the challenge - in COMPETITIVE modes. That is the [u]opposite[/u] of 6vs6. Git gud or get rekt, top tiers arent going to be segregated and punished because the bottom tier feel entitled to a safe space across every pvp mode.

Yeah so those couple of thousand players should be catered to over the rest of the population lol, just a bunch of whiners crying salty crucible tears telling everyone else to get good because they can’t handle playing anything other than the bottom tier

[quote]Yeah so those couple of thousand players should be catered to over the rest of the population lol[/quote] Yeah let's cater to the couple of thousand part of the bottom tier that barely play it instead of the top half who grind pvp the most! Totally! How illogical pro-sbmmers are [quote]just a bunch of whiners crying salty crucible tears telling everyone else to get good[/quote] What hypocrisy, you crying because good players tell you to improve if you dont want to get ran in a mm that every shooter has used the past 20 years for its chill gamemodes isnt the real crying? [quote]because they can’t handle playing anything other than the bottom tier[/quote] LOL they have the same chance at matching bottom tier as anyone else, they have the same chance to match other top tiers as anyone else, they have the same HUGE chance to match average players as anyone else You thinking top tier exclusivly play bottom tier under cbmm just shows how delusional and clueless you are.

Not as delusional or as clueless as some tilted crucible crybaby who thinks they need the entire system to cater around them not having to try just so they can trash talk the MAJORITY of the population and say they aren’t good enough. If you’re so top tier why be afraid of actually being challenged?

[quote]Not as delusional or as clueless as some tilted crucible crybaby who thinks they need the entire system to cater around them[/quote] All due respect, but that absolutely applies to pro-SBMMers too. The difference between the two sides of the argument is how much PvP they play. [quote]If you’re so top tier why be afraid of actually being challenged?[/quote] Top tier players play Trials, if they were afraid of a challenge, they wouldnt. Calling someone else a tilted crybaby whilst displaying such a breathtaking lack of common sense is, well, rich. For the record I sit dead centre average in PvP skill, and I am not a particularly dedicated player of it regardless of MM type. I see no issue being in the same boat as everyone else. Typically, my lobbies have been one or two beasts, about the same number of lesser skilled players and the rest is made up of middling players.

[quote]Not as delusional or as clueless as some tilted crucible crybaby who thinks they need the entire system to cater around them not having to try just so they can trash talk the MAJORITY of the population and say they aren’t good enough.[/quote] Every player playing each other is the standard form of pvp, no filters, no segregation, no safe spaces, its YOU who believes themselves to be entitled to seperate mm, its YOU who wants the entire system to cater around those with PURE INCOMPETENCE [quote]If you’re so top tier why be afraid of actually being challenged?[/quote] Top tier players arent afriad of being challenged - they have the same chance to match other top tiers in cbmm as anyone else does, they are the ones who grind to 5500 facing thier peers and the ones who hit lighthouse playing other sweats at the higher wins of the card, challenged however is for challenging playlists designed for it, such as comp or trials. Not the direct opposite which is casual 6vs6, there you play everyone and see where you TRULY sit on the totem pole. Imagine a nascar race where everyone drives the same car but the unskilled drivers demand the skilled ones be disqualified, utterly ridiculous and indeed sbmm and anyone that supports it in casual modes is

Lol imagine a nascar race where those who consistently place at the top of the board demand to make the rules for the rest of the sport, more and more excuses as to why you can’t handle facing people of equal skill or higher skill when casual people who are low tier in a CBMM setting do it every day.

[quote]Lol imagine a nascar race where those who consistently place at the top of the board demand to make the rules for the rest of the sport[/quote] The reality is when you enter pvp you signed up for a race, everyones driving the same car but you sure as hell don't get to dictate who does or doesn't race you. End of story. [quote]more and more excuses as to why you can’t handle facing people of equal skill or higher skill when casual people who are low tier in a CBMM setting do it every day.[/quote] More and more excuses about how you think your purchase of a game entitles you to success in pvp, it doesnt, the game isnt holding your hand anymore, sink or swim or play the modes that feature the competitive experience you're after.

Lol I could care less about my PVP success , just pointing out those who whine the most and loudest about meta, matchmaking, certain gear, are Crucible players who can’t stand any sort of challenge. Fact is players who are at average skill level are handicapped no matter the game mode, you say players don’t want to sweat every match yet for the normal player that’s how every match is so what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. All you want is a system that panders to the minority, which is a system doomed to fail. Why do you think Bungie needs to consistently create quests and events that try to pull people in? It’s because a majority of people hate the state of crucible. It’ll never be balanced if the current cycle continues, whether it’s gear or player skill. And you are propagating that inequality because it benefits you personally. AKA you are just apart of the privileged few that benefit from the current system and can’t stand the thought of a leveled playing field.

[quote]Lol I could care less about my PVP success , just pointing out those who whine the most and loudest about meta, matchmaking, certain gear, are Crucible players who can’t stand any sort of challenge.[/quote]Lol, the top always adapt to meta, certain gear, etc. Its average pvp players that come here to complain about that stuff. [quote]Fact is players who are at average skill level are handicapped no matter the game mode[/quote] Average players are handicapped??? How? [quote]you say players don’t want to sweat every match yet for the normal player that’s how every match is so what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.[/quote]False, the average match currently is between average players, so they aren't "sweating", you trying to compare average players facing each other to the sweaty MLG final bracket tourney that good players have each game just shows your out of touch with reality. [quote]All you want is a system that panders to the minority, which is a system doomed to fail.[/quote] Cbmm tosses everyone and anyone in together, its doesnt pander to anyone because it's all random, the first possible match is a go, literally as standard pvp shooter mm gets [quote]Why do you think Bungie needs to consistently create quests and events that try to pull people in? It’s because a majority of people hate the state of crucible.[/quote]You mean like how they've always had to do? Pvp quests arent new, they do them under sbmm and cbmm so.... [quote]It’ll never be balanced if the current cycle continues, whether it’s gear or player skill.[/quote] Pvp in destiny has never been balanced gear wise and should never be balanced by player skill outside competitive modes. [quote]And you are propagating that inequality because it benefits you personally.[/quote]There is no inequality, every single game of pvp is equal unless you are suggesting better players gain overshields and damage boosts? [quote]AKA you are just apart of the privileged few that benefit from the current system and can’t stand the thought of a leveled playing field.[/quote]Aka you just want the game to hold your hand and dumb down pvp till it's on a level you can handle, you were given participation trophies your entire life and cannot believe a game you purchased does not guarantee you success, you demand a safe space from your fellow players that put in the time to improve, how dare they! Segregate them immediately so I dont feel inept!

You are still in denial, you are literally getting your hand help by being fed lower skill players. It’s almost as if you have a dog in this fight and that’s why you went out of your way to continually spam me because you can’t handle being confronted with how hard lower tier players have it. All you want is to steamroll blueberries we get it

Dude, we don’t care about playing people of similar skill. The problem was that it was constant meaning we would be drained more often than not. Control is a qp mode so It should remain CBMM. When I want to sweat I’ll play trials or comp (sbmm.)