You realize I’m referencing both sides of the game right? I know me just being another PvE main would fit so easily into your narrative and allow you to just blow off whatever else I say but read the post again. The system in place is not effective and has never been effective for either PvE or PvP. Something that stands out becomes the meta because everything is so bland and underpowered the moment anything fun or viable is released its nerfed and a new meta replaces that one. It’s been an endless cycle that achieves nothing but replacing the old problem causing gear with new problem causing gear. Why did gambit use mostly QB or SS? Because it worked well Why does crucible currently main 600 autos and MT? Because it works well This system will never achieve anything other than an endless hamster wheel of patches that change nothing in the long term. The system is flawed for all sides of the game.

[quote]We all know the nerf/buff cycle will never balance the game and only serves to soothe whiney crucible cry babies who can’t stand the concept of a meta.[/quote] [quote]Stop punishing the whole class because one clown won’t shut up and be mature and take their fat L like an adult.[/quote] Yeah, it definitely doesn’t sound like your biased against one side at all lmao. You made this post to cry about PvP players, don’t make yourself look a bigger idiot by trying to deny it now that you got called on it. Maybe you should follow your own advice: be mature and take your L like an adult. The “system” isn’t the problem. Bungie has been separating PvP and PvE sandboxes as much as possible since Forsaken. PvP objectively does not hurt PvE anymore and hasn’t in years. And as far as PvP balancing goes, it isn’t the players’ fault that things are released into the game ridiculously broken and then inevitably nerfed. You can’t honestly sit there and blame PvP players for wanting something like MT nerfed. Anyone who understands PvP will tell you it reduces the skill gap. Put the blame where it lies, on the studio that MAKES THE GAME... And demand that they design weapons that are both powerful and balanced.

I never said I was unbiased, but can you remember one time when someone from the PVE end of the game made a post or a video complaining about gear being too OP? Because I certainly can’t, and while that’s anecdotal at best the reason why you don’t see it is people take what little fun they can get before it’s shot down. The system never has and never will be efficient, and to go further with what I said let’s not pretend developer creativity hasn’t been limited by the obligatory tack on PvP. Did you ever see anyone ask for a Gjallarhorn or SS nerf because they were too powerful against bosses? Or someone complaining whisper should be nerfed because it breaks boss encounters? Every single complaint for balance stems from someone being upset in player versus player encounters.

Every single example you just gave was nerfed because of PvE lmao. Gjallarhorn and Whisper trivialized encounters, and Sleeper did to a lesser extent. Yes, Sleeper was also nerfed for Gambit but it was an AA nerf which doesn’t affect PvE at all. The only PvP nerf in recent memory that has hurt a weapon in PvE was Lunas/NF, which: 1. Wasn’t highly used in PvE to begin with 2. Was the result of PvE players crying that they got shit on with it 😂 ALL of the biggest nerfs since Forsaken have had nothing to with PvP- super regen exotics, auto-reload, grenade launchers, Whisper, Izanagi’s, rapid-fire shotguns, the global sniper nerf... Need I go on? Your mindset is flawed. Of course PvP players complain about sandbox balance more than PvE players. Because it’s a -blam!-ing player vs player environment. Your loadout shouldn’t determine who wins or loses. This is the case with ANY game. You’re too salty about PvP players to see that the PvE sandbox has struggled on its own since 2014, with or without interference from PvP.

Lol okay now I know you’re a troll at this point no further response needed, I’ll save my next ban for Fanatics or whatever that cookie dough boy’s name is. You aren’t worth it, besides the way things work on this forum the moment I give you any material that could pass as ban worthy you’re gonna report me like every other grifter on here who likes to argue.

How am I trolling lmao? You just can’t refute anything I’m saying. You came in with a pretentious attitude towards PvP players and none of your points hold up to scrutiny. Sorry lol?

Lol quoting absolutely nothing with your points, hello pot