A universe governed by the Traveler is not a universe governed by Light. The Traveler is it's own being to a considerable degree.

Light doesn’t govern. It’s a power. Not a person. The source of the power governs. Which is the Gardner/Traveler. They already had their time in charge and didn’t do any of that. 🤷‍♂️

Yeah right, okay dude. And the Prophecy lore and dialogue is lying and is all for nothing and the Gardener doesnt exist and the light isnt a pre universal force inserted into the "game" as a rule to govern the outcome of the Gardeners ideology against the Winnowers. Yep. Definitely.

[quote]Yeah right, okay dude. And the Prophecy lore and dialogue is lying and is all for nothing and the Gardener doesnt exist and the light isnt a pre universal force inserted into the "game" as a rule to govern the outcome of the Gardeners ideology against the Winnowers. Yep. Definitely.[/quote] What’s that about feelings again dude? I’m not ignoring anything. Unveiling paints the Traveler as wrong for a lot of things, including bringing us back from the dead. Guardians are wrong for fighting for Humanity. The problem with that is, without us Humanity would be dead, the Traveler destroyed and the Darkness winning. So what, the only good ending for that is us all dying off so the Darkness wins. See what happens when you take a lore book as gospel line for line? It’s called context. Perspective. Like how the Hive think they are the good guys and we are the bad ones. Do we take that as gospel? No. Obviously it’s wrong but I don’t see anyone going “you’re ignoring the narrative dude!” and claiming it’s right. So since you can’t understand these basic concepts...yeah maybe you’d be better off spending your time doing something else. Again, you’re inability to square things isn’t my problem.

[quote][quote]Yeah right, okay dude. And the Prophecy lore and dialogue is lying and is all for nothing and the Gardener doesnt exist and the light isnt a pre universal force inserted into the "game" as a rule to govern the outcome of the Gardeners ideology against the Winnowers. Yep. Definitely.[/quote] What’s that about feelings again dude? I’m not ignoring anything. Unveiling paints the Traveler as wrong for a lot of things, including bringing us back from the dead. Guardians are wrong for fighting for Humanity. The problem with that is, without us Humanity would be dead, the Traveler destroyed and the Darkness winning. So what, the only good ending for that is us all dying off so the Darkness wins. See what happens when you take a lore book as gospel line for line? It’s called context. Perspective. Like how the Hive think they are the good guys and we are the bad ones. Do we take that as gospel? No. Obviously it’s wrong but I don’t see anyone going “you’re ignoring the narrative dude!” and claiming it’s right. So since you can’t understand these basic concepts...yeah maybe you’d be better off spending your time doing something else. Again, you’re inability to square things isn’t my problem.[/quote] You tell my "inabilities" aren't your problem yet you're here advising me to spend my time doing something else. You psycho little shit. The hostility here is hilarious. It's not your problem, why are you still replying? You're acting like an indecisive teenage girl. Get a grip. You wanna believe the Traveler is this ultimate creature of goodness? Good for you. It is a sentient construct that serves the Gardeners ideology. The Gardener is literally using humanity to prove a point to the Darkness and you're too dumb to see this. A wager that says Guardians will continue to be Guardians even while tempted and the Traveler is doing absolutely nothing about the Pyramids right now. I'm looking at things for what they are and from what we know from lore. I already broke things down in another post and just dont care to waste my time on someone so narrow minded. You probably arent going to shut your mouth either so I guess I'm just gonna have to mute you.

The Gardner made the rule that became paracausality. First Knife: “ "I don't know. To reward those who make space for new complexity. A power that helps those who make strength from heterodoxy, and who steer the game away from gridlock. Something to ensure there's always someone building something new. It'll have to be separate from the rest of the rules, running in parallel, so it can't be compromised. “ I don’t see anything where the rule means everything is immortal. I don’t see anything to remotely imply the Light wants everything to live forever in stagnation. So right off the bat, we have what the Gardner has said about its philosophy and then we have in contrast what others have claimed it’s philosophy is. So you want to say the Gardner is lying now and everyone else is telling the truth? Where is the complexity, keeping things away from gridlock? What’s changing in this immortal universe? Not my problem you believe Prophecy lore word for word. I mean it’s not like they don’t have an agenda, they aren’t trying to manipulate things to ensure their own survival. Not like the Nine haven’t been manipulating us either. Maybe you missed all this but I haven’t. Not my problem you can’t square the history from the BoS with the Prophecy lore. You want to get mad at me for pointing out the facts? You go ahead. Doesn’t change anything.