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7/6/2020 9:21:31 PM
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[quote]and that brought in players that would not have bothered. lets hope quests design follows this in the future.[/quote]
https://www.dexerto.com/amp/destiny/destiny-2-hits-crucible-player-record-after-bungie-disables-sbmm-1387826
And mostly because SBMM is gone
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There is a lot of pure internet insanity in this sub-thread. You all know that if the same sites that people are linking to said that the numbers were declining you would be linking to them. Instead yall just decide to rely on magical thinking to say the numbers aren't true. It's utterly ridiculous at this point.
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I mean the DT numbers are lower now than at the start of the season. Population is declining. There are a bunch of reasons why. If you think everyone loves CBMM, you’re crazy.
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Edited by A_mo: 7/8/2020 11:15:21 AMI don't think everyone loves it. What I think is that everyone loves shot registration and matches where the game isn't constantly dropping and adding players on purpose to get the score that it wants. And its wrong for some people to get a superior experience at the expense of others. Especially when they get it and all they really care about is doing bounties. SBMM is so bad that they probably have something in the EULA just in case people figured out what it does so they wouldn't get sued. At least that's how bad it felt for me and many others.
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[quote]There is a lot of pure internet insanity in this sub-thread. You all know that if the same sites that people are linking to said that the numbers were declining you would be linking to them. Instead yall just decide to rely on magical thinking to say the numbers aren't true. It's utterly ridiculous at this point.[/quote] It’s not magical thinking. The fact is that Destiny tracker includes GAMBIT which is not a crucible game mode, in those numbers.
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lol. Dude, you and I have been through this at least 3 times that I can remember. Not that many people are playing Gambit right now first of all, and both PvE and PvP include Gambit. There is no way in the world Gambit is responsible for any of that increase. Also... Gambit. Did I mention Gambit? Gambit...
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Edited by TattooedOni: 7/7/2020 3:15:14 PM[quote]lol. Dude, you and I have been through this at least 3 times that I can remember. Not that many people are playing Gambit right now first of all, and both PvE and PvP include Gambit. There is no way in the world Gambit is responsible for any of that increase. Also... Gambit. Did I mention Gambit? Gambit...[/quote] Historically about 300k players included in the daily “PvP” numbers on Destiny Tracker are Gambit players. Gambit is 3 games for an easy +1 pinnacle a week, so there are plenty of people playing it Edit: Even the fake screenshot from Warmind.io people are linking shows crucible 5% of real time activity Gambit 3% of real-time activity. Uh oh 🤣
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Edited by A_mo: 7/7/2020 3:30:49 PMThere are so many screenshots from so many people at this point that, for me at least, the pulling of statistics from websites has been rendered basically meaningless. Which is why the basis of every argument that I make on here with regards to CBMM being better is the kind of match quality that a lot of us would get under the old system. Streamers and streamer level players did not have to deal with it that much after Shadowkeep and not at all prior to Shadowkeep. And lower level players did not have to play the mess that was created by SBMM for the middle to upper middle players. No one should have to deal with what this game was doing to some people under SBMM in terms of the quality of matches and it has nothing to do with skill. The game, especially after Trials came out and started to pull players from other playlists, became unplayable in terms of the way it worked regardless of how good anyone is that it is simply unfair for someone to have to deal with what was happening just so other people could easily do bounties or make montages for youtube.
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[quote]There are so many screenshots from so many people at this point that, for me at least, the pulling of statistics from websites has been rendered basically meaningless. Which is why the basis of every argument that I make on here with regards to CBMM being better is the kind of match quality that a lot of us would get under the old system. Streamers and streamer level players did not have to deal with it that much after Shadowkeep and not at all prior to Shadowkeep. And lower level players did not have to play the mess that was created by SBMM for the middle to upper middle players. No one should have to deal with what this game was doing to some people under SBMM in terms of the quality of matches and it has nothing to do with skill. The game, especially after Trials came out and started to pull players from other playlists, became as unplayable in terms of the way it worked regardless of how good anyone is that it is simply unfair for someone to have to deal with what was happening just so other people could easily do bounties or make montages for youtube.[/quote] I’m not arguing SBMM or CBMM. I am saying the claim people are making about IBs “success” based on false claims in click bait articles and misleading tweets tent verifiable by actual data. That’s all.
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I am saying CBMM is better and even if the things people are saying when they link to these sites aren't necessarily true the numbers have hit almost the same level as they hit during the first year the game was out. Three years later. But like I said, and like I always say when it comes to things like weapon balancing, numbers alone should not be the sole determinant of whats right or what's fair. Especially when it comes to something where the numbers are under a real actual human being's control and subject to a small group's opinions and philosophy about what PvP should be, like they always are when you are dealing with the programming of a computer. If the shit is broken the shit is broken and SBMM in Destiny is broken for a lot of people who should not have even had to be treated so unfairly for so long. That's the only point that I'm trying to make and I will continue to babble against SBMM as long as there are people who are for it regardless how anyone frames the numbers. It's wrong and unfair, plain and simple.
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[quote]I am saying CBMM is better and even if the things people are saying when they link to these sites aren't necessarily true the numbers have hit almost the same level as they hit during the first year the game was out. Three years later. But like I said, and like I always say when it comes to things like weapon balancing, numbers alone should not be the sole determinant of whats right or what's fair. Especially when it comes to something where the numbers are under a real actual human being's control and subject to a small group's opinions and philosophy about what PvP should be, like they always are when you are dealing with the programming of a computer. If the shit is broken the shit is broken and SBMM in Destiny is broken for a lot of people who should not have even had to be treated so unfairly for so long. That's the only point that I'm trying to make and I will continue to babble against SBMM as long as there are people who are for it regardless how anyone frames the numbers. It's wrong and unfair, plain and simple.[/quote] Yeah I’m not talking about CBMM vs SBMM. I’m talking about the false claims with no evidence to support them.
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That's cool. But I must say that I'm suspicious of anyone on here claiming that they are simply exposing the "false claims" out of a sense of non-biased altruism, as a few people have done. Everyone's argument is based on something and I've been coming to this forum long enough to know that there is very little said on here out of a sense of altruism.
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[quote]That's cool. But I must say that I'm suspicious of anyone on here claiming that they are simply exposing the "false claims" out of a sense of non-biased altruism, as a few people have done. Everyone's argument is based on something and I've been coming to this forum long enough to know that there is very little said on here out of a sense of altruism.[/quote] My bias is pretty clear: I’m against click bait being touted as proof, and want to see actual data before I will accept a premise. Personally I think the game benefits more from SBMM than it loses as an experience for the average player, but that doesn’t mean I can’t see a benefit from CBMM. My main concern is players being mislead.
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Edited by Demon_XXVII: 7/7/2020 4:06:19 PM[quote][b][i]TattooedOni[/i][/b] based on [b]false claims in click bait articles and misleading tweets tent verifiable by actual data[/b][/quote] [quote] I’m talking about the [b]false claims with no evidence to support them[/b].[/quote] 👍 Sadly, this is the way of the world nowadays Rife in every aspect!
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That webpage has more adverts than content. Any of those types of sites are just waffle.
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[quote]That webpage has more adverts than content. Any of those types of sites are just waffle.[/quote] Be that as it may, the contents are still accurate. Stay mad.
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[quote][quote]That webpage has more adverts than content. Any of those types of sites are just waffle.[/quote] Be that as it may, the contents are still accurate. Stay mad.[/quote] The content isn’t accurate though. Other than that, sure.
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[quote][quote]and that brought in players that would not have bothered. lets hope quests design follows this in the future.[/quote] https://www.dexerto.com/amp/destiny/destiny-2-hits-crucible-player-record-after-bungie-disables-sbmm-1387826 And mostly because SBMM is gone[/quote] Why are people linking to that horrible article? It doesn’t provide any population numbers for IB, just PVP from Destiny tracker and that includes all PVP game modes AND Gambit. It also says “new rare rewards” 🤣🤣🤣, it’s terrible click bait and people keep linking to it like it has a single valuable thing to say. It doesn’t.
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[quote][quote][quote]and that brought in players that would not have bothered. lets hope quests design follows this in the future.[/quote] https://www.dexerto.com/amp/destiny/destiny-2-hits-crucible-player-record-after-bungie-disables-sbmm-1387826 And mostly because SBMM is gone[/quote] Why are people linking to that horrible article? It doesn’t provide any population numbers for IB, just PVP from Destiny tracker and that includes all PVP game modes AND Gambit. It also says “new rare rewards” 🤣🤣🤣, it’s terrible click bait and people keep linking to it like it has a single valuable thing to say. It doesn’t.[/quote] Because Iron Banner is included into those numbers. And no ones playing gambit. They’re adding very little. So take off your tin foil hat and admit to yourself the crucible is in a better place. Is it perfect? Hell no but it is improving. Why do you always have to ack as if the sky if falling 24/7? Bungie gets sh!t wrong daily. But that doesn’t mean they can’t accidentally get something right...
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[quote][quote][quote][quote]and that brought in players that would not have bothered. lets hope quests design follows this in the future.[/quote] https://www.dexerto.com/amp/destiny/destiny-2-hits-crucible-player-record-after-bungie-disables-sbmm-1387826 And mostly because SBMM is gone[/quote] Why are people linking to that horrible article? It doesn’t provide any population numbers for IB, just PVP from Destiny tracker and that includes all PVP game modes AND Gambit. It also says “new rare rewards” 🤣🤣🤣, it’s terrible click bait and people keep linking to it like it has a single valuable thing to say. It doesn’t.[/quote] Because Iron Banner is included into those numbers. And no ones playing gambit. They’re adding very little. So take off your tin foil hat and admit to yourself the crucible is in a better place. Is it perfect? Hell no but it is improving. Why do you always have to ack as if the sky if falling 24/7? Bungie gets sh!t wrong daily. But that doesn’t mean they can’t accidentally get something right...[/quote] Very little? Usually it’s 300k players a day. I don’t think the crucible is improved, so I have no reason to say that it is. I never said the sky was falling, I said this article which people keep linking isn’t legit.
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[quote][quote][quote]and that brought in players that would not have bothered. lets hope quests design follows this in the future.[/quote] https://www.dexerto.com/amp/destiny/destiny-2-hits-crucible-player-record-after-bungie-disables-sbmm-1387826 And mostly because SBMM is gone[/quote] Why are people linking to that horrible article? It doesn’t provide any population numbers for IB, just PVP from Destiny tracker and that includes all PVP game modes AND Gambit. It also says “new rare rewards” 🤣🤣🤣, it’s terrible click bait and people keep linking to it like it has a single valuable thing to say. It doesn’t.[/quote] Warmind.io Destiny Tracker Charlmenge Etc. But by all means, stay mad 0.9er ;)
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[quote][quote][quote][quote]and that brought in players that would not have bothered. lets hope quests design follows this in the future.[/quote] https://www.dexerto.com/amp/destiny/destiny-2-hits-crucible-player-record-after-bungie-disables-sbmm-1387826 And mostly because SBMM is gone[/quote] Why are people linking to that horrible article? It doesn’t provide any population numbers for IB, just PVP from Destiny tracker and that includes all PVP game modes AND Gambit. It also says “new rare rewards” 🤣🤣🤣, it’s terrible click bait and people keep linking to it like it has a single valuable thing to say. It doesn’t.[/quote] Warmind.io Destiny Tracker Charlmenge Etc. But by all means, stay mad 0.9er ;)[/quote] Warmind.io is “Charlmenge”, and Destiny Tracker includes Gambit in the PVP Numbers so it’s not tracking crucible players. Don’t worry, im not mad I think it’s hilarious people keep touting this horrible click bait as their opinion. I have never stacked in comp, so I don’t have as high of a fake KD stat as people who do.
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[quote] Warmind.io is “Charlmenge”, and Destiny Tracker includes Gambit in the PVP Numbers so it’s not tracking crucible players. Don’t worry, im not mad I think it’s hilarious people keep touting this horrible click bait as their opinion. I have never stacked in comp, so I don’t have as high of a fake KD stat as people who do.[/quote] Warmind.io tracks crucible and gambit separately. Destiny tracker is the one that tracks them together. https://imgur.com/a/bU2r7Lh https://imgur.com/a/UXZzvvY https://imgur.com/a/Hd4Pm9U Warmind.io also shows the iron banner numbers separate from crucible and gambit. Otherwise they wouldn’t have tweeted out a picture of the all time high player count. In the picture you can also see the gambit population.
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[quote][quote] Warmind.io is “Charlmenge”, and Destiny Tracker includes Gambit in the PVP Numbers so it’s not tracking crucible players. Don’t worry, im not mad I think it’s hilarious people keep touting this horrible click bait as their opinion. I have never stacked in comp, so I don’t have as high of a fake KD stat as people who do.[/quote] Warmind.io tracks crucible and gambit separately. Destiny tracker is the one that tracks them together. https://imgur.com/a/bU2r7Lh https://imgur.com/a/UXZzvvY https://imgur.com/a/Hd4Pm9U Warmind.io also shows the iron banner numbers separate from crucible and gambit. Otherwise they wouldn’t have tweeted out a picture of the all time high player count. In the picture you can also see the gambit population.[/quote] The picture they tweeted was of a three hour window of activity, which couldn’t be verified by going to their web page.
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[quote] The picture they tweeted was of a three hour window of activity, which couldn’t be verified by going to their web page.[/quote] It was the most populated iron banner in D2 history. The website that tracks player population literally tweeted about it. Denying it only makes you look stupid...
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[quote][quote] The picture they tweeted was of a three hour window of activity, which couldn’t be verified by going to their web page.[/quote] It was the most populated iron banner in D2 history. The website that tracks player population literally tweeted about it. Denying it only makes you look stupid...[/quote] The tweet was player activity not population, and it was just for a three hour period. Just weeks ago AFK forge farming was the most popular activity, and it SMASHED the participation % of IB. I don’t look stupid asking for actual proof a claim is valid, people who resort to personal attacks because they can’t validate their claim look weak.
