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6/29/2020 9:44:04 PM
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I think there are 2 good reasons: 1. Too chaotic for people to learn anyway. Making them sbmm causes people to develop bad habits. 2. Easier to balance teams with a larger player pool. TV does a great video on it here: https://youtu.be/qfuS9a1RgZo
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Edited by Galt13: 6/30/2020 7:13:58 PMYou assume that they want to learn. Maybe they just want to play for fun. Edit: Also there is no need for team balancing if they are only pulling players in from a single skill band.
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Edited by pacificdune: 6/30/2020 8:03:31 PMThen explain to me why there were more mercies last season than there are now? And the “just fun” thing does not work in sbmm. The only way it works is in cbmm once you become a better player.
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[quote]And the “just fun” thing does not work in sbmm. The only way it works is in cbmm once you become a better player.[/quote] How can you say this? Are you the overseer of fun that you know what is fun for someone else? Please don't go down that route. If other player have fun in sbmm who are you to say that they are not?
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Lol... I guess I’ve been answering to these crybabies who just want their safe spot back. I actually really like your idea and hope they implement it. Cheers bro!
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It's not what they want though. It's not how they define it. Those are yours and other with the same mindset making this words. They just their [u]fun[/u] back and others don't get to tell them what fun means to them. Don't continue down that road of thought. Try thinking through their perspective.
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I don’t think the crucible should be tuned for people who don’t play much, are not good, and don’t want to get better. Sure, the casuals gave less fun, but at what cost? You also need to think about that perspective. Especially given that it is not hard to be an average player and that’s all you need to do to have fun in cbmm.
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Dude. No one's really asking for the entirety of Crucible to cater to lower tier players. That's your ego talking. They are a very large portion of the player base and deserve to have a fun place to play as everyone else. Going to bet. Talk more tomorrow
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You’re wrong. Fun is absolutely to be found in SBMM playlists. Maybe not for pubstomping sociopaths but for most normal people competition is fun. There were more mercies because instead of player sbmm they were team matching so that sweaty sociopaths could get their pubstomp on but both teams could have a chance to win. That type of team balancing is too complicated to be effective and with Bungie executing it it was doomed to failure. All those 6v4 matches probably contributed and those were caused be garbage team balancing.
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That’s just not true bud. I played iron banner for 3 hours this morning. No blowouts, fast matchmaking, good competitive games.
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Which means you are a solidly mid to tier player. MM doesn’t affect you. Congratulations
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They don't have to. Completely open for discussion. Initially I just didn't want to see the same game mode in both sbmm and cbmm.
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I can’t speak for anyone but myself but I enjoy Control and Clash. I don’t want to play comp or I’d favor cbmm. I just want to pop in and play for fun. What skilled players don’t seem to understand is that at my skill level sbmm is the relaxed mm mode. You’re trying to find a solution for everyone but it’s not possible because high skilled players have to play low skill players to be able to “relax”. That’s why they oppose separating playlists. Given a choice people at my level will not choose an cbmm playlist. That’s why the Classic list turned into a sweat fest.
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Edited by X-LoganX: 6/29/2020 10:25:30 PMSo I get that but your assuming "all people at your skill level" are going to choose sbmm. Yet you started the reply with " I can only speak for myself" I think through all these posts lately there's a lot that like cbmm. So I think it's enough of a mix to make them happy too. [quote] What skilled players don’t seem to understand is that at my skill level sbmm is the relaxed mm mode. [/quote] I say this to them all the time. You are right that they don't understand and maybe never will be able to relate to it.
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I’m not assuming anything. Last year when SBMM was finally brought back to Control after being removed we all saw what happened to the Classic playlist. We can certainly draw conclusions from that. People chose in massive numbers to opt out of cbmm. If they hadn’t we wouldn’t be having this discussion now. That’s what will happen again if there is even 1 viable sbmm playlist. That’s why only comp playlists were left as skill based.
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Agree to disagree. When that happened it was because QP because the ONLY cbmm option out of the 5 or 6 that were there. When I presenting is essentially down the middle.
