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5/29/2020 2:10:25 PM
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Rasputin never shot the traveler and if he did then the lore in this game makes no sense because there’s no way a super Warmind AI created by humans could stop/harm a being that literally helped create the universe.
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He also killed all the iron lords with technology that could rebuild humanity instead of using said technology to rebuild humanity.
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The traveler didn't create the universe, it is not the Gardner/Light It's an agent of the Light, an entity all of its own
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The Traveler is just an Agent for that being. Not the being itself. Just like the Pyramids are an Agent for the Darkness, not the Darkness itself. Rasputin could easily cripple the Traveler. Because he did before.
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It seemed pretty certain that Rasputin had a protocol in place to nuke the traveler to hell, but there never seemed to be enough evidence that it actually happened.
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The fact that the protocol is there in the first place indicates there is precedent. It happened. And it will happen again if the Traveler decides it wants to leave us again
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Having a protocol doesn’t mean said protocol happened. It’s just there if it needs to happen. And I don’t think anything really suggests that it did, indeed, happen.
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Then you’re blind.
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Give me evidence that it happened.
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I already have. If you want MORE, look to the great big gaping hole at the bottom of the Traveler in D1.
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The big gaping hole where the corrupted shard of the Traveler (ie. Damaged by the Darkness and not Rasputin) in the EDZ came from?
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Who says that’s where that shard came from?
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If you look at the Traveler in D1, where else can you see a gaping hole? Where else could it have come from?
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What I meant was who told you it wasn’t broken off and THEN corrupted. And even if it wasn’t, who told you the Darkness themselves brought it down?
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Edited by Mse03: 5/30/2020 7:57:00 AM[quote]What I meant was who told you it wasn’t broken off and THEN corrupted. And even if it wasn’t, who told you the Darkness themselves brought it down?[/quote] Even if it was corrupted after being broken off, looking back at the intro cutscene of D2 it says [quote]... but the Traveler made a choice. Its sacrifice destroyed its ancient enemy...[/quote] As this is being said, the Traveler is shown in its undamaged state, and lets off a wave of light similar to the one that killed Ghaul, and THEN a big gaping hole is shown underneath it, suggesting that the explosion damaged itself in the process; it wasn't Rasputin. Edit: also notice how it says "choice". As in, the Traveler decided to stay so Rasputin deemed his whole 'shoot it down so it stays' protocol unnecessary.
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And who told you that it so bravely “sacrificed itself”? A Ghost, right? The Speaker? Everyone in the City? Propaganda. To make the Traveler seem like this loving and caring and benevolent being. When in reality it’s just a scared little coward running away from the REAL rulers of life and death.
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[quote]And who told you that it so bravely “sacrificed itself”? A Ghost, right? The Speaker? Everyone in the City? Propaganda. To make the Traveler seem like this loving and caring and benevolent being. When in reality it’s just a scared little coward running away from the REAL rulers of life and death.[/quote] And who told you that rasputin shot it? No one. It's never been explicitly said by anyone or anything, and therefore I will not believe that he did. My reason for this? I simply don't want to risk spreading misinformation. I'm still open to this theory, but until I see or hear that it did 100% happen, I have to disagree.
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What else could’ve done that amount of damage? I’m supposed to believe the Darkness just scratched it and then left? No. It would’ve destroyed it completely before leaving.
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[quote]What else could’ve done that amount of damage? I’m supposed to believe the Darkness just scratched it and then left? No. It would’ve destroyed it completely before leaving.[/quote] That's it right there ^ Basing theories on a "what else could have...?" kind of mindset is OK when it's simply that - a theory. But going around and telling people your theory as if it's a fact is something I disagree with. So once again, I don't think rasputin shot the traveler and NOTHING will convince me that he did unless it's stated in-game or in the lore.
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I go around stating it as fact because there is literally no other explanation. Unless your blind enough to believe in City dogma.
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[quote]I go around stating it as fact because there is literally no other explanation. Unless your blind enough to believe in City dogma.[/quote] Without direct proof?
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So you have no actual proof, gotcha.
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Is that not actual proof?? Again, you’re blind.
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Look man, it’s hilarious to think that some Warmind blew the traveler to pieces, and I like to think it might have happened, but I don’t think anything really suggests that it actually did. He had protocols in place and was ready to, but nothing suggests that he actually did.
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See, your problem is you think the Traveler is some omnipotent, all powerful being. The GARDENER is that all powerful being. The Traveler is just it’s agent. It can be blown up. It can be hurt. Especially by a Warmind with multiple WMD’s under its belt. I wasn’t talking about the “holes”. I was talking about the ONE big hole that was present back in D1. Were you here to see that back then? If not, I suggest looking for some shots of the Traveler back then to see what I’m talking about. If you can’t see that that not only suggests but is proof that something shot at the Traveler, then you’re blind and I can’t help you anymore.
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Whatever you insist, Mr. Dredgelord.
