Really? Last season I played tons of PVP (top .1%) and I'd maybe see a fusion every other match, but 5-6 shotty's easily every match.

HL shouldn’t (and won’t hopefully) get a nerf. Suros’ ttk is lower than HL but why is nobody complaining about it? Comparing HL to Luna is silly. In order to achieve HL optimal ttk (or any AR) you need to be exposed the entire time. For Luna (or any HC) optimal ttk can be achieved peak shooting and spending most time in cover. There is inherently more risk involved in achieving AR optimal ttk. It should be lower than the best HC. If something HAS to be done about HL, I’d be OK with adding some of the screen shake back in. Not close to all of it - just something that disrupts the laser-like qualities of it. That’s one thing that makes it special, but a slight adjust to that wouldn’t ruin it and would tone down the whining somewhat.

No one is complaining about Suros is because of its mag is only big enough for one person where as u can kill three people or 4 with hardlight before needing to reload. Plus all the buffs it has, 100 stability, 100 recoil direction and 100 aim assist with masterwork. I don’t care about hard light it’s honestly so versatile and effective it shoves most weapons down. Plus with how everyone has one it’s going to be the most overused like it is now. Hardlight isn’t going to get nerfed super hard it’s stats are likely going probably see a small tuning with how super over used it is

HL screen shack was needed

Not THAT much screen shake. It was virtually unusable in that state. Like I said, you could add back some of it, but it’s in a good risk/reward place right now. It’s not hard to play around. I might almost feel differently if you couldn’t see the shots. But it’s not hard to avoid a corridor being laned by HL. And outside of that, it’s just a normal AR to outplay.

The bouncing rounds arent the main issue(imo). Its dueling agint the weapon especially being the only gun in the game with maked out stability the ease of use surpasses LH and NF. At least some skill was involved with getting those weapon HL is something anyone can use a do great with it. On top of that the gun promotes staying outside of OHK weapons range outside of snipers and even then it still acts a great deterrent to those

[quote]The bouncing rounds arent the main issue(imo). [/quote] Before we get to the “disagreement” part of my post (😉) can I say thank you for holding this opinion. I’ve talked with WAAAY too many people who think it’s ricochet rounds (not a unique perk) are a problem. [quote] Its dueling agint the weapon especially being the only gun in the game with maked out stability the ease of use surpasses LH and NF. At least some skill was involved with getting those weapon [/quote] It’s the only weapon in the game with maxed out stability at [b][i]base[/i][/b] perhaps. But it’s not at all the only gun, with the right perk combos, that has max stability. And ease of use is in the eye of the user. I find pulses to be exponentially easier to use than ARs, and sidearms even moreso. Most established players I know would say HC are much easier to use to achieve a quick and efficient kill. Dueling against HL isn’t that difficult. I find dueling with Suros to be a much bigger hill to climb. It’s HL unique ability to single handedly hold down a corridor which is more difficult to deal with. I mean, if you’re talking about all out completely in the open with no cover, yes HL is very tough to duel with (as are most ARs). But in normal circumstances on a typical encounter, HC and pulses have the edge with peek shots and cover and large chunks of damage. And difficulty to acquire has no basis on whether a gun is too good or bad. And let’s ask all those folks with less than a 1 kd who have NF about skill to acquire. [quote] HL is something anyone can use a do great with it. [/quote] I wouldn’t say great. People can do well with it, sure - it is a good gun. But HL isn’t magical and still requires you to track well, hit all your shots while strafing, against a moving target. Targeting with a pulse or HC, to me, is easier. You only have to worry about opponent position at one point in time as opposed to at all points in time while holding a trigger. [quote] On top of that the gun promotes staying outside of OHK weapons range outside of snipers and even then it still acts a great deterrent to those[/quote] Staying out of the range of shotguns and fusions isn’t unique to HL. Most ARs do that, as do pulses and scouts. It’s a mid range weapon. You’re supposed to stay out of shotgun range. That’s not a knock on the weapon. The point I’ll concede is that it does act as a decent deterrent to snipers. It has longer range than most ARs (even when people aren’t exaggerating about its limitless range). This is the one spot where it’s bounce shot really comes into play. Don’t know that that’s a bad thing, but I agree it’s a super sniper deterrent.

It’s literally it’s super high stats either cut the double damage slightly or change the stats slightly around bc it has way too many things backing it up. 100 stability, 100 recoil direction and 100 aim assist. It needs to have a decrease somewhere, some shape or form.