I mean at this point getting past 200 is a godsend when everyone just downvotes you for no reason. So hitting 1k is pretty impressive

[quote]Holy cow that's almost 1% of the whole player community at best.[/quote] Yet people think the forum represents the entire destiny community

That’s what we, in the adult world, call samples. When they post studies and surveys, they can’t ask literally every person on the planet, so they use a ratio. “9 out of 10 dentist...” that doesn’t mean there are only 10 dentist in the world, lol. That just means for every 20 they ask, 18 will share the same opinion, while the other 2 don’t. The point? Forum boards are the same way. Its a sample of the community. It’s not a “vocal minority”. I’d be willing to wager most people feel the same way. Maybe Bungie should release in game polls so that way you guys won’t have the “vocal minority” argument to fall back on anymore.

[quote]That’s what we, in the adult world, call samples. When they post studies and surveys, they can’t ask literally every person on the planet, so they use a ratio. “9 out of 10 dentist...” that doesn’t mean there are only 10 dentist in the world, lol. That just means for every 20 they ask, 18 will share the same opinion, while the other 2 don’t. The point? Forum boards are the same way. Its a sample of the community. It’s not a “vocal minority”. I’d be willing to wager most people feel the same way. Maybe Bungie should release in game polls so that way you guys won’t have the “vocal minority” argument to fall back on anymore.[/quote] I know that’s simple statistics, but I’m playing devil’s advocate here. It is a sample size that that COULD give you a look at the majority. But think about the alternative. Think about the people that log in daily and love the game for what it is. The ones that log in during curse of Osiris and the lowest points. The ones that don’t care no matter what bungie does. They don’t waste their time on a forum. I wish in game polls existed so people could see that some will never be influenced by what happens. We just like the game. So quit assuming you are the majority and speak for all of us. The random rolls and artifact disabling movement are the only movements I got behind. Enhancement cores and other stuff like that were things I liked as they were. You don’t speak for me and the forum residing part of the community need to quit thinking they do. The chihuahua (smallest dog) is the one that barks the loudest.

Wrong I've got 3,700+ hrs into D2. I played during the Curse from Osiris, I was among the first to claim Dredgen title, and even though the seasonal content is lacking, I'm still playing. I frequently visit the forums, upvote, downvote, comment and make my own posts. There a quite a few guardians I see on here as well who also play the game alot.

[quote][quote]That’s what we, in the adult world, call samples. When they post studies and surveys, they can’t ask literally every person on the planet, so they use a ratio. “9 out of 10 dentist...” that doesn’t mean there are only 10 dentist in the world, lol. That just means for every 20 they ask, 18 will share the same opinion, while the other 2 don’t. The point? Forum boards are the same way. Its a sample of the community. It’s not a “vocal minority”. I’d be willing to wager most people feel the same way. Maybe Bungie should release in game polls so that way you guys won’t have the “vocal minority” argument to fall back on anymore.[/quote] I know that’s simple statistics, but I’m playing devil’s advocate here. It is a sample size that that can give a look at the majority. But think about the alternative. Think about the people that log in daily and love the game for what it is. The ones that log in during curse of Osiris and the lowest points. The ones that don’t care no matter what bungie does. They don’t waste their time on a forum. I wish in game polls existed people could see that some will never be influenced by what happens. We just like the game. So quit assuming you are the majority and speak for all of us. The random rolls and artifact disabling movement are the only movements I got behind. Enhancement cores and other stuff like that were things I liked as they were. You don’t speak for me and the forum residing part of the community need to quit thinking they do. The chihuahua (smallest dog) is the one that barks the loudest.[/quote] I’m having a hard time following your logic, because the ones that love the game and log in everyday, are the ones that would be most willing to participate in the forums! No, it’s the exact opposite. Defenders are the minority. Numbers can easily prove this too, if you’d like to continue this route.

[quote][quote][quote]That’s what we, in the adult world, call samples. When they post studies and surveys, they can’t ask literally every person on the planet, so they use a ratio. “9 out of 10 dentist...” that doesn’t mean there are only 10 dentist in the world, lol. That just means for every 20 they ask, 18 will share the same opinion, while the other 2 don’t. The point? Forum boards are the same way. Its a sample of the community. It’s not a “vocal minority”. I’d be willing to wager most people feel the same way. Maybe Bungie should release in game polls so that way you guys won’t have the “vocal minority” argument to fall back on anymore.[/quote] I know that’s simple statistics, but I’m playing devil’s advocate here. It is a sample size that that can give a look at the majority. But think about the alternative. Think about the people that log in daily and love the game for what it is. The ones that log in during curse of Osiris and the lowest points. The ones that don’t care no matter what bungie does. They don’t waste their time on a forum. I wish in game polls existed people could see that some will never be influenced by what happens. We just like the game. So quit assuming you are the majority and speak for all of us. The random rolls and artifact disabling movement are the only movements I got behind. Enhancement cores and other stuff like that were things I liked as they were. You don’t speak for me and the forum residing part of the community need to quit thinking they do. The chihuahua (smallest dog) is the one that barks the loudest.[/quote] I’m having a hard time following your logic, because the ones that love the game and log in everyday, are the ones that would be most willing to participate in the forums! No, it’s the exact opposite. Defenders are the minority. Numbers can easily prove this too, if you’d like to continue this route.[/quote] How is it difficult to follow. Some hardcore players never use this. I have clanmates and friends that are legend players and hardcore raiders and never get on the forum. You’d be delusional to believe the best part of our community are all on these forums. They aren’t. What numbers? Unless you can substantiate the amount of ACTIVE PLAYING players in relation to participation on these forums, you have no data of substance. For Pete’s sake look how many people chime in that haven’t played in months/ years.

[quote][quote][quote][quote]That’s what we, in the adult world, call samples. When they post studies and surveys, they can’t ask literally every person on the planet, so they use a ratio. “9 out of 10 dentist...” that doesn’t mean there are only 10 dentist in the world, lol. That just means for every 20 they ask, 18 will share the same opinion, while the other 2 don’t. The point? Forum boards are the same way. Its a sample of the community. It’s not a “vocal minority”. I’d be willing to wager most people feel the same way. Maybe Bungie should release in game polls so that way you guys won’t have the “vocal minority” argument to fall back on anymore.[/quote] I know that’s simple statistics, but I’m playing devil’s advocate here. It is a sample size that that can give a look at the majority. But think about the alternative. Think about the people that log in daily and love the game for what it is. The ones that log in during curse of Osiris and the lowest points. The ones that don’t care no matter what bungie does. They don’t waste their time on a forum. I wish in game polls existed people could see that some will never be influenced by what happens. We just like the game. So quit assuming you are the majority and speak for all of us. The random rolls and artifact disabling movement are the only movements I got behind. Enhancement cores and other stuff like that were things I liked as they were. You don’t speak for me and the forum residing part of the community need to quit thinking they do. The chihuahua (smallest dog) is the one that barks the loudest.[/quote] I’m having a hard time following your logic, because the ones that love the game and log in everyday, are the ones that would be most willing to participate in the forums! No, it’s the exact opposite. Defenders are the minority. Numbers can easily prove this too, if you’d like to continue this route.[/quote] How is it difficult to follow. Some hardcore players never use this. I have clanmates and friends that are legend players and hardcore raiders and never get on the forum. You’d be delusional to believe the best part of our community are all on these forums. They aren’t. What numbers? Unless you can substantiate the amount of ACTIVE PLAYING players in relation to participation on these forums, you have no data of substance. For Pete’s sake look how many people chime in that haven’t played in months/ years.[/quote] I very much doubt that. Your clan is almost full, with everybody being registered forum members, so. And not sure where you’re getting forum numbers as an argument from, I was talking about dissatisfaction with the game, which is the majority opinion, that the forum samples shows as well. The numbers are easy to tell for that. Look how many people have stopped playing, and continue to drop over time. DLC brings in a small boost, but quickly dwindles back down, because most people aren’t happy with the game. 18 million people with accounts, and barely breaking the 200,000 mark (on a good, busy day), and yet you guys think you’re the majority, okay. Go look at steam charts as well.

[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]That’s what we, in the adult world, call samples. When they post studies and surveys, they can’t ask literally every person on the planet, so they use a ratio. “9 out of 10 dentist...” that doesn’t mean there are only 10 dentist in the world, lol. That just means for every 20 they ask, 18 will share the same opinion, while the other 2 don’t. The point? Forum boards are the same way. Its a sample of the community. It’s not a “vocal minority”. I’d be willing to wager most people feel the same way. Maybe Bungie should release in game polls so that way you guys won’t have the “vocal minority” argument to fall back on anymore.[/quote] I know that’s simple statistics, but I’m playing devil’s advocate here. It is a sample size that that can give a look at the majority. But think about the alternative. Think about the people that log in daily and love the game for what it is. The ones that log in during curse of Osiris and the lowest points. The ones that don’t care no matter what bungie does. They don’t waste their time on a forum. I wish in game polls existed people could see that some will never be influenced by what happens. We just like the game. So quit assuming you are the majority and speak for all of us. The random rolls and artifact disabling movement are the only movements I got behind. Enhancement cores and other stuff like that were things I liked as they were. You don’t speak for me and the forum residing part of the community need to quit thinking they do. The chihuahua (smallest dog) is the one that barks the loudest.[/quote] I’m having a hard time following your logic, because the ones that love the game and log in everyday, are the ones that would be most willing to participate in the forums! No, it’s the exact opposite. Defenders are the minority. Numbers can easily prove this too, if you’d like to continue this route.[/quote] How is it difficult to follow. Some hardcore players never use this. I have clanmates and friends that are legend players and hardcore raiders and never get on the forum. You’d be delusional to believe the best part of our community are all on these forums. They aren’t. What numbers? Unless you can substantiate the amount of ACTIVE PLAYING players in relation to participation on these forums, you have no data of substance. For Pete’s sake look how many people chime in that haven’t played in months/ years.[/quote] I very much doubt that. Your clan is almost full, with everybody being registered forum members, so. And not sure where you’re getting forum numbers as an argument from, I was talking about dissatisfaction with the game, which is the majority opinion, that the forum samples shows as well. The numbers are easy to tell for that. Look how many people have stopped playing, and continue to drop over time. DLC brings in a small boost, but quickly dwindles back down, because most people aren’t happy with the game. 18 million people with accounts, and barely breaking the 200,000 mark (on a good, busy day), and yet you guys think you’re the majority, okay. Go look at steam charts as well.[/quote] Registered members that don’t use the forum. Look at their bungie activity. It’s nonexistent. You just said it yourself. On a busy day the numbers sit at 200,000. How many votes and comments are we getting? 100,001? That’s a majority. You don’t know anything about numbers if you think you are the majority. Raid report and destiny track this majority. Probably don’t have raid completions and sub 1 kds. They aren’t fluent enough with the game to make some of the claims they make. Also consider the gaming landscape. The numbers dip because a good chunk of casual players log on to play the new story and don’t care for endgame when fallen order, god of war, Spider-Man etc are out. You forum complainers that think you are the majority conveniently ignore variables and only pick and choose the ones that fit your narrative. You haven’t substantiated your claim by the way. You have the burden of proof because 100,001 is the majority and you don’t have the numbers to back that by your scenario.

Literally don’t understand how you can’t grasp that the forums are a sample of the community as a whole. Most forum users are unhappy with this. It’s to the point where the only people defending this are recognizable by name, like you and JVP and Necro. Burden of proof? Simply look up Destinytracker. 18 million accounts, 200,000 people playing. That’s barely 1% playing. You can blame it on people being casual and not investing, but ignoring the point as to [i][u][b]WHY[/b][/u][/i] people don’t feel like investing heavy hours into the game. Most people just don’t like it. Check anything media related to Destiny and just sort through the comments. You’re wrapped up in your bubble so hard, it almost seems like you have buyers remorse. You can enjoy the game, that’s fine. But most do not. And on the same side of the coin, it sounds like you’ll play Destiny no matter what, so why even care about what the community tries to change?

[quote]Literally don’t understand how you can’t grasp that the forums are a sample of the community as a whole. Most forum users are unhappy with this. It’s to the point where the only people defending this are recognizable by name, like you and JVP and Necro. Burden of proof? Simply look up Destinytracker. 18 million accounts, 200,000 people playing. That’s barely 1% playing. You can blame it on people being casual and not investing, but ignoring the point as to [i][u][b]WHY[/b][/u][/i] people don’t feel like investing heavy hours into the game. Most people just don’t like it. Check anything media related to Destiny and just sort through the comments. You’re wrapped up in your bubble so hard, it almost seems like you have buyers remorse. You can enjoy the game, that’s fine. But most do not. And on the same side of the coin, it sounds like you’ll play Destiny no matter what, so why even care about what the community tries to change?[/quote] You are stuck in your bubble and ignoring/ not addressing my counterpoints. Seems we can only agree to disagree. I’m done here Just because I’ll play regardless because I like the game, doesn’t mean it doesn’t irk me when you guys cause changes that I never wanted changed. You all whine, make alt accounts, and bungie caves every time thinking you are the majority when you aren’t. You keep saying most don’t like it. You don’t know what “the most” is. We can agree to disagree. Neither of us are changing our stance so good discussion. Enjoy the game if you can. Later

Yet people think that the entire community even comes to these foruns...