The game is fine, these forums are a sewer for trolls. When they do "control" the forums there's this big cry over censorship. But you're right stronger moderation is needed but customers should be acting like adults not toddlers. Bungie just released a vidoc and there are people here arguing that they didn't say the things they said. I swear if Bungie said the sky was blue people here would call them liars and argue that it's purple.

A couple of things: [quote]stronger moderation is needed[/quote] Disagree, a forum built specifically around not being critical is what the Destiny /r’s are for. Heavy moderation there. Very heavy. Ironically, those /r’s were started by Bungie employees. They deliberately propagate Bungie’s ideas and if someone isn’t onboard with one, there is little room for disputes, or open-mindedness. [quote]customers should be acting like adults not toddlers.[/quote] I wish it were that simple, but the lowest common denominator to post here on this forum is to be age 13, and have made it to the farm. I wish it were otherwise, but it’s not, and it’s exactly how Bungie has chosen to handle this forum. For better or worse. [quote]Bungie just released a vidoc and there are people here arguing that they didn't say the things they said. I swear if Bungie said the sky was blue people here would call them liars and argue that it's purple.[/quote] This logic is backwards though. What Bungie is doing is telling us the sky is purple while we are all looking at a beautiful blue sky. It’s absolutely true that Bungie calls this game an “awesome action mmo”. But..., some of us play real mmo’s. Games that have in-game trading of crafted items. Games that have multiple classes and subclasses and a smorgasbord of ways to set them up, heck, in ffxiv my Blacksmith has more content associated with it than both of the Destiny’s combined, and it’s not even a main character, nothing more than a crafter, to go along with the more than dozen other crafters and harvester’s, and I haven’t even discussed the main characters! Games that have infrastructure built to accept more than two tether’s in the witches ritual heroic public event. Etc..., you get the point. Bungie can call what is obviously a chicken a pig, all day long. But, until that pig grows wings, starts clucking, and lays eggs, it will never be a chicken. Clearly, Bungie wants this game to be an mmo, and I truly hope they are successful, that concept excites me wrt a long future for this game. But, simply saying it’s an mmo does not an mmo make. Bungie has a lot to do! A lot! Yes, ShadowKeep is/was a first step. But, now, they have 5,279 more feet to go to complete this mile long journey. A tiny first step, albeit a first step. [b][i][u]Actions, not words[/b][/i][/u] Edit: Grammar

Whether you like it or not, this community is what Bungie has made it into. Do you think it was like this in the beginning? It wasn't. This Bungie's doing alone. Better developers have better forums.

It has been like this since early D1. Bungie is praises on other media outlets. Bioware got destroyed on their forums and Reddit when that game dropped but that game was actually broken. The trolls migrate here because it's not moderated, games with stronger moderation have better forums.

And if Bungie said the sky was purple people would be on here defending Bungie, works both ways

That's a terrible comparison

So is what the dude said about people arguing against Bungie, I was providing him with the same terrible argument. See how that works?

[quote]The game is fine, these forums are a sewer for trolls. When they do "control" the forums there's this big cry over censorship. But you're right stronger moderation is needed but customers should be acting like adults not toddlers. Bungie just released a vidoc and there are people here arguing that they didn't say the things they said. I swear if Bungie said the sky was blue people here would call them liars and argue that it's purple.[/quote] The game clearly isnt fine, yes there are trolls on here. I couldn't give a fig what outcry there is you're either capable of moderating your own forum or you aren't. Not all feedback is trolling, its mostly constructive, but again even when they do respond its nonsense. Example, the request for a character editor, the reply was "oh really you would like that would you, I will pass that on" It was pointed out that this had been a request for 5 years, no further comment. Theres no official comment on the account recovery people theres no official account on cheesing. Bungie did indeed release a vid doc which is pretty much the same as all the rest and we have just had Like Smith admit Bungie have been lying about the state and direction of the game and you're surprised people are upset?

How is the game not fine? Is it because these trash post say so or is it your opinion? Are you going to bring up daily player counts during the longest content drought of year 2 which happens to occur when BL3 released? They just said they have a plan for the next 5 years. There isn't a single post on here that doesn't have a troll attached to it. When they do respond they get bashed with hate replies. It happened back in year 1 D1 to this isn't a new thing and they ate a lot more active and transparent now and more than ever. Should they respond to every post? The community managers have to be vague with replies, the sky would fall if they passed along the wrong info. What important issues has Bungie not addressed?

[quote]How is the game not fine? Is it because these trash post say so or is it your opinion? Are you going to bring up daily player counts during the longest content drought of year 2 which happens to occur when BL3 released? They just said they have a plan for the next 5 years. There isn't a single post on here that doesn't have a troll attached to it. When they do respond they get bashed with hate replies. It happened back in year 1 D1 to this isn't a new thing and they ate a lot more active and transparent now and more than ever. Should they respond to every post? The community managers have to be vague with replies, the sky would fall if they passed along the wrong info. What important issues has Bungie not addressed?[/quote] Wow. Just wow. So you havent been following anything that's been going on at all? The nerfs the rebalancing the heavily but sadly now necessary focus on eververs, the f2p model the statement from Bungie that they keep hitting crunches and they cant cope. As for the 5 year plan it was supposed to be 10 years and was as far as we were told still on track until that poorly conceived blub letter from Smith, where they admit they LIED. You either missed all of that or you forgot or you just have no clue what so ever. Because the game fine..../facepalm There are trolls on every forum, I dont see the Brave Sir Robin approach Bungie takes anywhere else, because what a joke the company would be that couldn't control their own channels. We are not asking for them to reap d to every post, jesus what is wrong with you? Do you have no perspective? Prime example that I've already mentioned was the paid account recoveries thread very recently, lots of replies up votes and not one response from Bungie. A thread about buffing a fusion rifle was responded to with a joke. You honestly think that is an acceptable was for a service corporation to behave?

Oh and the games been out 5 years already, last time I checked 5 plus 5 is still 10 right?

[quote]Oh and the games been out 5 years already, last time I checked 5 plus 5 is still 10 right?[/quote] The 10 year plan was supposed to be continuous, it clearly wasnt. So they lied. And that's all you could come back with?

Yeah that's what I thought to until I took a look at the Activision contract. Remember vague statements, Destiny had a 10 year plan, this is still Destiny. I never said they hadn't twisted true in the past. They have. They are more transparent now than they have ever been. I like what I'm hearing about the future content plans and I could care less about microtranactions or people that want to pay others to play for them....

[quote]Yeah that's what I thought to until I took a look at the Activision contract. Remember vague statements, Destiny had a 10 year plan, this is still Destiny. I never said they hadn't twisted true in the past. They have. They are more transparent now than they have ever been. I like what I'm hearing about the future content plans and I could care less about microtranactions or people that want to pay others to play for them....[/quote] They admitted they never knew what the darkness was prior to D2s release which means that the 5 year vision they had for the game was a lie. It's not twisting anything it was a lie. That you're excusing this speaks volumes. So you care about this game but do not care about critical issues that have and will continue to have a measurable impact on the game.... I dont want to live on this planet anymore.

Microtranactions and account recovering isn't critical. Didn't the original writer leave the company? Wouldn't he be the guy who knew what the darkness was?