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Edited by kellygreen45: 6/14/2019 5:08:23 PM
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We have another one who doesn’t understand depreciation. All those hours you got to play the game that people getting two year content for free will NEVER GET TO HAVE.... ...is what your money bought you. I’ve used my iPhone X for two years, I don’t get to whine and complain that people can now buy this exact phone for less than I paid for it two years ago. My enjoyment using it was worth what I paid. If you getting to play Destiny 2 for two years wasn’t worth it to you, then you need to re-evaluate how you spend your money.
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  • On the contrary to your personal attack, I do understand depreciation. I just forgot to mention it in the spot where I said, "I get it, employees need to be paid, and equipment is not cheap. I would be fine with this, but there is one more factor." Thank you for pointing that out. I have spent many hours enjoying this game. But the overall theme of this post was supposed to be about keeping your old players happy. The people who were there Day 1. I apologize if I didn't clearly get that message across, I am not a professional writer.

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  • No the point of your post is being greedy and entitled. Bungie doesn’t owe us anything, and them giving away two year old content with very little market value at this point is not a punishment. It’s a benefit to veteran players. Player numbers are so low on pc right now that I live in the US Great Lakes region and am getting matched with people in South Korea...and the game is almost u playable. Other times the game can’t even find anyone to match you to. Twice in the last month I tried to play Gambit and the game timed me out before it could find me a game. I just get tired of all this Gimme crap. You got what your money entitled you to.

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  • Another great point. But I don't think that we remember Years 1 and 2 the same. We didn't get what these New Light players are getting (again I'd like to highlight that I think repopulating is a great thing). We got a watered down experience with a lot a copy/paste content and a lot of useless grinding. D2 has improved greatly and I am happy that I bought it. But let's not forget what WE paid for vs. what they are getting for free. (and before you say anything about time passing or something like that, I get it. It got better with time) Maybe there is a little entitlement in my attitude. But I'm not expecting anything from Bungie (certainly not asking for money back or anything like that). I'm just putting my opinion out there. That's what these forums are for. (idk if this has anything to do with this, but I'm also from the Great Lakes area)

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  • What those players are getting is: 1. A two year old game with a market value (at this point) is about $10...maximum. 2. Bungie is GIVING it away because the money they'd stand to make from selling it to people is minimal at this point. In fact, once you factor in costs, they'd might even LOSE money in the effort. 3. Trying to sell that old content at this point is jsut a barrier to getting new people to take up the game. 4. Which is why EVERY long-running MMO does this, when they grow to point where they start to have a backlog of content. I'm sorry that you didn't like vanilla D2, but you were not cheated then...and you are not beng punished now. Destiny 2 wasn't the game I wanted then....and in may ways it still isn't the game I want it to be. But that doesn' t entitle me to free stuff. I got a working product...and a pretty good CAMPAIGN shooter. Not to mention over 1500 hours of play time at this point.

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  • Again, all valid points. Although the MMO argument doesn't work, seeing as D2 is, literally just now, being referred to as an MMO. I used to defend D2 till my dying breath (although being a lot less hostile) I promise you that I hear, and respect what you are saying; but there comes a time where you just can't justify a product anymore. I'm pretty sure I've reached that point. It's been years of Bungie not listening to the community, Forsaken was the start; and even then there was still a lot of copy/paste content. Am I happy that D2 is getting a new population? Yes! I think it's great! Am I happy about the content/price I paid vs. the price/content they're getting? No Do I understand depreciation? Yes. Product + Time = Lesser Value. Does that suck? Yes. Am I asking for money back/free stuff? No, I literally said that in my last response. Am I expecting a response from Bungie? No, again I said that. Do I feel entitled? Maybe a little. Have a enjoyed my time with D2? Thoroughly! Would I recommend D2 to a new player? Probs not. Will I be buying the new expansion? I honestly don't know. I'm just sharing my honest thoughts/opinions with Bungie/the community and I'm not sorry that we have different opinions. But I respect yours even though you don't respect mine.

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  • [quote]Do I feel entitled? Maybe a little[/quote] You are making an emotional argument that has no legitimate basis in any rational principle.

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  • And you're actively looking for something to be angry at me for. You're splitting hairs Kelly. So let's not talk anymore because this is going nowhere. You are justified in the way you feel, but don't be hostile because someone else feels differently. Have a nice day.

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  • Edited by kellygreen45: 6/14/2019 6:34:14 PM
    No, I'm not. I'm enforcing a boundary with you. 1. You have a right to be mad at Bungie. 2 You have a right to be disappointed in the product you recieved. 3. You have a right to walk away and give your business to Bungie's competitors. But what you don't have a legitimate right to do is to: 1. Claim you've been cheated somehow by Bungie giving away 2 year old content that has almost no market value at this point (Mass Effect Andromeda was selling for $7 before it was added to EA Access). YOU WEREN'T. 2. Claim you are owed something by Bungie because they are doing that. YOU AREN'T. You have no principled basis from which to make this claim. You were giving a working product. You were given a playable game. It just wasn't the game you wanted it to be. That doesn't entitle you to free stuff. It just doesn't....and this generational entitlement is causing a LOT of Millennials problems. This sense that its the world's job to nurture them...and that they are some how being taken advantage of in some fashion when the world fails to change itself to suit their wishes. The world doesn't CARE if you're happy or not, dude. It just doesn't. You're either going to learn to adapt to ITS demands....or you're going to struggle. And many Millennials who were sent out into the world unprepared for this harsh reality...are doing just that. Struggling.

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  • There is some progress. Now, putting the possible generational gap to the side, let's talk. For real. You're making a lot of assumptions about me, and straight up not listening to the words I an saying. You're jumping to your own conclusions instead of hearing what I have to say. I have agreed with ALL of those things you just listed (again, leaving the Millennial thing alone). Your words (minus all of the person attacks) have had a weight in my opinion. Now, I need you to actually read what I am typing. Do I want free stuff? NO, I have never asked for it, so please stop. Do I feel cheated? It's hard not to. I've been loyal to the game through all of the ups and downs. Overall it has been a great product for me. I just don't know if the next step in D2 will be right for me. I've spent a lot of money on it, and I feel under appreciated for doing so. (no I don't want a Pay-to-Win game btw, and please no more comments on how I handle my finances. You don't know me therefore you have no right to make any comment.) My intentions for this post was to be brutally honest about the way I feel, post it on the forums, and see what other people have to say. Then use that info to further form my opinion. If you look back at how I've handled this convo, it will be obvious. I don't have any answers, that's why I posted on the forums in the first place. I didn't come here to pick fights. Remember, I am a fellow D2 player. Just a concerned one.

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  • Part of that generational differences is I don't listen to what people say....and instead I watch what people do. You are entitled to compensation from Bungie ONLY if they either engaged in some sort of false advertising (the didn't)...or they gave you a defective product (they didn't). You were given a game that worked, was playable...and was actually WELL-REVIEWED.... ...until people got two months in, and realized that it didn't really have any end-game. That's unfortunate....but its NOT unfair....and doesn't entitle you to compensation from Bungie. One of my college professors made a very astute observations about Americans. It was true then...and its DOUBLY true about Millennials. today. He said, "[i]Americans have a curious inability[/i] (he was a Brit) [i]in telling the difference between what is UNFORTUNATE, and what is UNFAIR." [/i] The fact that Destiny 2 was more of a campaign shooter than a loot-based RPG compared to Destiny 1? Very unfortunate. But hardly unfair. Being sold a game that is so poorly optimized that it keeps crashing your computer and its basically unplayable (PC version of Arkham Knight)...THAT is UNFAIR. Warner Bros couldn't fix the game and make it playable....so they eventually pulled the game from the market and issue refunds to everyone. A game with a bug that LOCKS you out of your account and prevents you from being able to log in and play the game in any way (Division 1 backpack bug)...THAT is UNFAIR. Massive issued in-game compensation to players affected by this. But what you are complaining about is unfortunate...but it is in no way, shape or form unfair...and you are NOT entitled to any thing frm Bungie on this. Year 1 Destiny 2 is their property. You got your money's worht out of playing it for the last 2 years....and what they do with it going forward is really none of your business. Seriously.

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  • Once again, you have a lot of really good points. You've pointed out a lot of things that I have taken into consideration. Thank you for that. And a lot of things that I'm not even going to touch. Now that I think about it more, "Entitlement" isn't the right word. It's more like trust issues. Forsaken was the ONLY expansion that I feel good about buying. So i just don't know if I'll be buying this new one. Maybe the best thing to do is just to wait for the reviews.

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  • All that being said, D2 is one of the best feeling shooters that I've played!

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