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5/14/2019 5:24:46 PM
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[quote] but I have seen virtually no alternative use for cores given[/quote]
Wait, WHAT? Have people already forgotten that Cores had a distinct purpose prior to Forsaken?
TO MASTERWORK WEAPONS.
You know, to actually make meaningful and personal decisions to kick one's favorite weapons up a notch?
You want to give Cores more "meaningful" purpose in this game, like enhancing armor perks or re-rolling? HELL YEAH, let's do it. But let's not pretend Masterwork Cores weren't co-opted to pad out game grind and give no-lifers a stiffy by sticking them into Infusion where they do not belong.
[quote]Some players have worked tremendously hard for their stash of cores, and it would be a shame if that went to nothing.[/quote]
[i]Really now?[/i] Are these the same players who tell everyone else that "Cores are easy to get and to stop whining"? Which is it, man? Did you "work so hard to git yer cores" or are they "piss easy to get and the casuals should stop -blam!-"? Lord, I hate elitism.
I'll say it again for the cheap seats: CORES ARE EASY TO GET. They are, however, BORING AS SIN to grind for. Might be why you just equated it to "hard work". It isn't, and anyone who feels that was should get over themselves. Those players were just willing to waste a pantload more time playing Bungie's mindless grinding cycle. The rest of us, those who've been championing their removal [u]from the cost of Infusion only[/u], recognize a waste of time and a game padding bore when we see it, know that Infusion worked way better before Forsaken, and have been asking for this tedious chore to be removed from the game.
Also, everyone who exploited the glitch blew past all the yields from that "hard work" in an hour flat. My only regret is that I wasn't one of them.
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Removing Enhancement cores from infusion would just make the grind to 700 even easier. What? Let’s just spend glimmer to level up and become the most powerful Guardians in the world. You should be grateful that cores aren’t even that rare, and in a few hours of grinding the correct activity(efficiency) you can accumulate 100 of them. If you think it is a bore to do, then don’t do it. Bottom line is: the cores are there for you to get, you just have to play the content that drops them frequently. A little trade-off to be able to level up the weapons you like.
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The "grind" to max light pre-Forsaken was NEVER an issue for anyone other than no lifers... But sure, let's use that demographic as the baseline. SMH
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Efficiency is key with this game. Be smart about your infusions and when to infuse, you son’t have a problem. Doesn’t matter if you play 3 hours a week or 30
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I explained myself in my main post, and multiple others. This isn't a discussion if you're not willing to actually discuss anything, only offering what to do... Which isn't exclusively something you, and only you know. Give that line a rest.
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It wouldn't make actual levelling any easier, you are still dependant upon rng based light rewards. It doesn't restrict the rise of power level, it restricts the equipment you have access to while you do. Cores limit fun, and do nothing for the life of this game. Artificially lengthening the grind isn't the answer. More content is
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It wouldn’t make the grind easier. You just wouldn’t have to settle for trash ass weapons/armor. There’s nothing wrong with being able to use what you enjoy.
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[quote]Removing Enhancement cores from infusion would just make the grind to 700 even easier.[/quote] Doubtful when the rest of the "improved" progression system is taken into account. And considering Bungie is taking more extreme measures to stop power levers from, well, power leveling, I'm going to go ahead and say the cost of Infusion doesn't matter at all to those who were going to rocket to level cap anyway. [quote]What? Let’s just spend glimmer to level up and become the most powerful Guardians in the world.[/quote] That's how it worked from Infusions inception up until right before Forsaken. It worked fine, and players were way happier about it. [quote]You should be grateful that cores aren’t even that rare[/quote] Grateful that Bungie doesn't want me to waste [i]more[/i] time than they already do? Boy, you're easy to please. [quote]If you think it is a bore to do, then don’t do it.[/quote] I don't. In fact, I'm not doing it so hard that I'm playing Borderlands 2 again. I only popped back in for Outbreak Perfected.
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You break down the entire situation, but you’re still wrong. Go play Borderlands 2 again then. That’s perfectly fine. You clearly don’t enjoy Destiny for what it is, and people like you leaving the game only makes it a better place. Cores are fine, you’re not. Tata
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You haven't provided any positive arguments for cores. Mainly due to the fact that you don't actually have one. You just want to be negative and give yourself an ego boost. This thread isn't for you. It's looking for actual solutions, not ego inspired abuse ☺
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Where’s the ego? I’m saying cores aren’t a problem, because they aren’t. Dimple solution. You people complain about it all because that’s all you do. The destiny community is the dumbest of them all. That can’t be disputed. Learn where to get cores, and how to spend them.
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I have enough cores thanks. Your argument is "I'm alright, so everyone else are just whiners". If that's not an ego boost, it's just selfish
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[quote]If that's not an ego boost, it's just selfish[/quote] It is most definitely selfish. But you act like that’s pejorative in this case, it isn’t. Every single person from the 13 year veteran of bnet to the actual 13 year old is acting in their own selfish interests. Including you and I. You just couch it in the: “I’m here to make [B]THE[/B] game better”. When the cold hard truth is, you’re here to make YOUR experience better, and also those of the same mindset as yours. You care equally as less for those who do like the “core grind” as they do for you. Not trying to be personal, just pointing out the indisputable fact that we’re ALL in this for selfish reasons. We ALL want Bungie to give us the game WE paid for and expected. Not the game Bungie or other gamers may want, but the game we uniquely dreamed of or hoped for.
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[quote][quote]If that's not an ego boost, it's just selfish[/quote] It is most definitely selfish. But you act like that’s pejorative in this case, it isn’t. Every single person from the 13 year veteran of bnet to the actual 13 year old is acting in their own selfish interests. Including you and I. You just couch it in the: “I’m here to make [B]THE[/B] game better”. When the cold hard truth is, you’re here to make YOUR experience better, and also those of the same mindset as yours. You care equally as less for those who do like the “core grind” as they do for you. Not trying to be personal, just pointing out the indisputable fact that we’re ALL in this for selfish reasons. We ALL want Bungie to give us the game WE paid for and expected. Not the game Bungie or other gamers may want, but the game we uniquely dreamed of or hoped for.[/quote] Actually, I just want Bungie to respect player time and investment. The only people who "want" the core grind are the no-lifers who already HAVE the cores and for who it isn't even an issue. Thus not "impactful" at all, which is what Bungie say they want. In actuality, cores are just another clumsy mechanic to prolong player time investment in lieu of actual new content. I keep stating the fact that I actually haven't had any problems with cores so far, I have enough for what I need and I am more than capable of adapting to in-game economies. Destiny's is by far the clumsiest and most poorly thought out economy I have ever played. It is actively limiting player agency in a game that has already streamlined itself severely. I never had a dream for this game, i expected exactly what we have received from Bungie. I just state my opinions on how it could be improved lol.
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Improved from your perspective, that seems selfish now, doesn’t it? lol. I deleted all of my cores, over 560, just to prove a point. They are so easy to obtain, I went from 670’ish on all three characters to 700 on all three, with zero cores. I began this little experiment on 4/1/2019 and ended on 4/16/2019. No impediment to leveling/progression, no “farming” cores. Doing nothing other than solo milestones, no raids, no nightfalls, no Iron Banner, etc... Every persistent world game I’ve ever been apart of awards ppl who spend more time in it with better rewards. By design, or just by numbers of opportunity at rng. Put more time in if you don’t like the rewards. If you can’t, I understand and completely empathize. I haven’t been able to play for a month or so. I’m not dropping my life events for something as inane as the outbreak perfected pulse rifle. It’ll either be there when I return, or it won’t. I’m definitely not a no lifer. This game’s grind is too ridiculously easy as it is. Why ppl whine about cores when the skill trees are broken, mods and perks are worthless, content is ancient, etc... just staggers me. Many things to improve on in this game, cores? Not even in the top 25. I trust Bungie knows their internal metrics alongside the public toxicity wrt cores. And I trust that they will do what’s in the best interest of the game.
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Your last point completely negates your entire argument ☺ also I never mentioned any improvement to the game. I see the evidence of this issue in the floods of people who have deserted. If Bungie would like a game populated by only no-lifers, then this is the way to go ☺ You can call me selfish as much as you like, I really don't care ☺
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My last point is Bungie should do what they think is right. Nobody here, or in Bellevue, is prescient, and any executive/leader that makes a decision wrt the future of his product/organization does so with a risk of some sort. This game’s population has risen and fallen on many things. Heck, it just doubled, overnight, when Outbreak Pulse was reintroduced. And the number of ppl who complain about cores, only to return over a single item, is almost the entirety of the remove cores crowd. Simple, put more time in and you’ll get more chances at rewards. Or, just sit back and whine about what others are doing and receiving.
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Edited by Viridis Illian: 5/16/2019 2:32:18 PMIt has now shrunk back down again, nearly instantly ☺ it was a temporary patch to a wound. BTW notice how to get outbreak, no cores are required...... Cores don't respect player's time. Funny how Bungie add ACTUAL content and people come back..... Disrespect your player base and people leave..... Funny that..... maybe they don't have to be prescient to understand that fact ☺
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Every time I see “respect players time”, I immediately think of ppl who are saying: I want everything the ppl who put the most amount of time in the game, but I just don’t choose to use my time that way or don’t have that amount of free time. But, I want it All, immediately, unfettered. No such thing as “respect players time”. It’s a hobby, it’s entertainment, if we’re not having fun playing the game, then it’s no longer a hobby, it’s become an unenjoyable job, or something else that’s “unfun”. There is NO doubt that when actual content is provided, the population will skyrocket. Bungie is well aware of this fact also, it’s why they seem to be prioritizing content instead of revamping an entire economy. Bottom line, I 100% agree, actual content is the thing that drives this game, and it’s population, regardless of whether cores are in the game or not.
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[quote]Every time I see “respect players time”, I immediately think of ppl who are saying: I want everything the ppl who put the most amount of time in the game, but I just don’t choose to use my time that way or don’t have that amount of free time. But, I want it All, immediately, unfettered. No such thing as “respect players time”. It’s a hobby, it’s entertainment, if we’re not having fun playing the game, then it’s no longer a hobby, it’s become an unenjoyable job, or something else that’s “unfun”. There is NO doubt that when actual content is provided, the population will skyrocket. Bungie is well aware of this fact also, it’s why they seem to be prioritizing content instead of revamping an entire economy. Bottom line, I 100% agree, actual content is the thing that drives this game, and it’s population, regardless of whether cores are in the game or not.[/quote] Psssst, you again just totally negated your own argument ☺ Cores don't stop you getting the rewards, they make it more grindy to USE them. Most developers understand that you have to respect your fan base. Cores make the game seem more like a job, not a game, or a hobby. So in effect, you just argued for me ☺ Cheers, saved me from unnecessary conversation ☺
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Glimmer makes the game seem like a job, planetary materials make the game seem like a job, vendor tokens make the game seem like a job, milestones make the game seem like a job, quests make the game seem like a job, triumphs make the game seem like a job, trophies make the game seem like a job, etc... to infinity and beyond. Cores are no different than anything else. If you’re not shooting stuff bc you enjoy it, then you’ve turned the game, the hobby, this form of entertainment into something unfun. Regardless of cores. That’s a you thing, not a Bungie thing.
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Actually every one of the things you mention are gained through natural progression and none of them limit player choice to the extent of cores ☺
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I got all of my cores through natural progression, before I deleted over 560 of them. It’s no different from any other material. “To the extent” is subjective.
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Edited by Viridis Illian: 5/17/2019 12:37:49 AMNo, it isn't. It is quantifiable. At the end of the day, cores are an issue, and need dealing with ☺ And again, if cores are that easy to attain, it diminishes their "impact" and therefore they might as well be removed. This is a cyclical argument
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OK, then. Quantify it. Philosophically, I’m in agreement on cores being removed. I never understood why they were changed from masterwork cores to enhancement cores in the first place. Bungie however, saw a need for it and made the change. I’m all in for renaming enhancement cores back to masterwork cores, removing all added means, including daily purchases and bounties, to obtain them. I’m ALL for this! But, I still want to see you quantify “to the extent”. What metrics analysis will you use I wonder?
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Edited by Viridis Illian: 5/17/2019 2:51:53 AMSo why argue? ☺ I was all ready to explain in depth ☺ Then I saw the latest TWAB ☺ It was possibly the most delicious moment.
