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Edited by nayscreamer: 4/23/2019 10:40:38 PM
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LfD: Acausality and Paracausality

Alright boys, Combat Mind gave up on passing down the series since no one posted any entries, that’s how lazy I was. So here I am, writing this instead of doing my homework. I’m just gonna hope he sees it, and go ahead and post. Feel free to correct me if I got anything wrong or if I was unclear, or just comment if you wanna talk about lore! Causality! For the longest time, I actually thought that this word said “Casuality”, and I thought it was referring to the likes of horrible “casual” gamers like me, who cause our teammates to go red with rage and our opponents to jump for joy when we’re in the lobby. But no. I got addicted to Destiny’s lore, and so here I am. As my very good friend Wikipedia puts it: “Causality is the study of cause and effect.” For example, I did not write my LfD contest entry, so the author discontinued the series. Cause -> Effect. You with me so far? Good. Now, how does this pertain to Destiny, you might ask? Good question, you’ve come to the right place. So, let’s take a cause and effect example from Destiny: Savathun tricks Crota into tearing a hole in space-time, and through that hole come our favorite cuddly war machines, the Vex. You still with me? Good. So, the basic rule of causality is that the effect cannot occur before the cause. For example, I couldn’t be studying hard because I passed the big test. (Or maybe you can, but we call these people brown-nosing dweebs). Anywayz, think of causality as a microwave: you put cold, fresh-from-box food in, you get an edible substance out. This rule seems pretty obvious and unimportant in the grand scheme of things, but it actually has huge consequences for the flow of space-time continuum. To maintain life as we know it without creating time loops (*cough Dreaming City cough*) or other disasters, the cause always comes before the effect. But what if that wasn’t the case? This is where we get into acausality and paracausality, two big words that are often thrown around in conversations about Destiny’ lore. First, acausality. This means “without causality” or something like that. So imagine that you somehow here on Bungie.net reading this post, but you haven’t put in the link for B.net or opened the app. So, the cause happened because of the effect. You still with me? Good good good. The best example of acausality in Destiny is the Vex. The Vex can defy the Laws of Physics, they seek to master time, to can erase things from existence, they can put their own will into the flow of reality. But here’s the trick about that: to defy the laws of physics, said laws must exist. Therefore, even in breaking the law, the Vex are acknowledging its existence. You science nerds out there might recognize this as the fourth dimension. Shoo! This is Lore for Dummies! The rest of the Lore subforum is for you guys! No, I’m just kidding, you can stay. But for real though: Vex. Acausality. Fourth dimension. Beta males. You guys still here? Just wait, it gets even better. Now, Paracausality! This one I actually think is a little misnamed, or at least misleading in the naming. The prefix para- means “sort of” or “semi” or “half”, or something like that. I mean, I hope it does, I’m not actually googling this stuff. But regardless, I couldn’t come up with a better name, so that’s that. Simply put, paracausality means [b]beyond causality[/b]. So whereas the Vex might have the power to write the future before the past, Big Daddy Oryx rejects the whole system. Remember when Oryx kicked Quria’s behind? That’s because for all the Mind’s acausal power, it has systematic limits that were predictable. The Vex want to control time. Oryx seeks to destroy it. To consume. This is why Oryx’s power destroyed the Vex bomb logic. In theory, it would take a being with paracausal power to defeat another. We see this in the Books of Sorrow, Book XVI: The Sword Logic, Verse 2:6- [quote]“We knew curiosity would draw you back, Auryx. In their desperation, the Ammonite have begun using paracausal weapons. What are these? How do they work? Wouldn’t you like to know. Suffice to say that some powers in this universe are superordinate to mere material physics. The source of these weapons is the Traveler, the Sky’s bait star. Their effect is subtle, but devastating. But you are armed to respond in kind. Savathûn’s mothers have listened carefully to our teachings. We will not give you the Deep, King Auryx — that power is for us, your gods. But we will teach you to call upon that force with signs and rituals. Small minds might call it magic. You are no longer bound by causal closure. Your will defeats law. Kill a hundred of your children with a long blade, Auryx, and observe the change in the blade. Observe how the universe shrinks from you in terror. Your existence begins to define itself.” [/quote] In other words, the Worm gods have given Auryx paracausal power. The whys and wherefores of this we could talk about for hours. But their reasoning is clear: to combat the power of the Traveler. And yet: we, the Guardian, defeated Oryx. So don’t think for a second that we are merely pawns on a chessboard. We are chessplayers of interdimensional magnitude. We’re pretty damn cool. Still with me? Good for you. Give yourself a pat on the back. Maybe you learned something new, and/or had some fun reading my take on acausality and paracausality. Let me know if there’s anything I could clarify! This is NightHawk377, the third writer of Lore for Dummies, signing off. I hope you’ve enjoyed my first entry, like and subscribe, and I’ll see you in the next one. In the words of ShadowSniper, the creator of LfD: [b]Knowledge is Power. Kill stuff with it. [/b]

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    TL;DR Space-time continuum bs that allows for its manipulators like the Hive and Vex to get super S T R O N K.

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    • Edited by kellygreen45: 4/23/2019 7:51:58 PM
      Afraid not. In the Destiny Lore, Paracausality basically refers to MAGIC. You're correct that "Causality" is the study of cause-and-effect. The scientific study of the cause and effect is the science of PHYSICS. Physics is basically the collection of laws that govern how cause and effect operate in our universe. Something that doesn't operate according to the laws of physics.....or natural laws....is often referred to as PARANORMAL. In the Destiny Universe, the PARANORMAL is instead refered to as the PARACAUSAL. Paracausality is the power to basically WILL things into existence in ways that are not required to honor the laws of physics (casuality...cause and effect). IOWs....its our SPACE MAGIC as Guardians. Its how we can keep coming back from the dead. Its how we can wield powers associated with wizards , angels and superheros. Its why our enemies can use powers associated with sorcerers and demons.. Its why we are immune to the powers that the Vex wield to simulate almost anything....and to control Time. The reason why The Vex can't simulate us or predict what we'll do...is the same reason why its not possible to use science to disprove the existence of God. You can't use physical laws to probe the existence or non-existence of a being that is not BOUND by those laws. Since he or she can rewrite them at any time. Ultimately, it was his understanding of Paracausality that led to the exile of Osiris. Up until him, the Vanguard had been fighting a human scale conflict with the Fallen to protect the City and protect the Traveller. It was Osiris who first understood that the actually conflict was so much bigger than that. That we were essentially warrior-angels in a War in Heaven....and that Guardians needed to stop seeing the conflict in human terms....and trying to fight it on a human scale. He was the first to realize that----when you're fighting an opponent that is not bound to the unidirectional flow of Time----you will NEVER defeat them in a war that you fight like you would a human opponent. IN fact you may NEVER be able to truly defeat them as they can keep going back into the past and trying to undo what led to your victory. You may in fact have to fight them for all ETERNITY. to keep them at bay. The fact that they had to think of the conflict in supernatural....almose CELESTIAL...terms was a message that few people were willing to hear at the time. But is is Ikora, during "Curse of Osiris" that finally realizes that Osiris was right....and had been right all along. Of the current Vanguard, only she seems to be growing into the level of vision necessary to effectively lead ----and fight----in the true nature of the conflict we are a part of. Zavala still can't let go of the old ways....and struggles to see beyond the walls of the City.

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      • What?

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        • Edited by Ghost593835: 4/23/2019 7:49:19 PM
          Good post

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          • Asher, is that you?

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            • You're making the assumption that Bungie is thinking of the word "Acausal" that's in line with what its real world definition is. I don't believe that they are. The Vex are capable of fanatic things, but always things that are explained within the laws of physics and bound to a chain of connected events. Paracausal means that there is no chain. The Paracausal being ignores chains. They demand x and if their will is strong enough x just is. This is how the Traveler terraforms worlds. It doesn't move water and air and plants around. The Traveler arrives at a place, Mercury for example, and it just forces it to have a suitable atmosphere and plants and liquids and to have whatever traits are necessary to preserve its adjustments. Our Guardian is more successful than others because their will and ability to shrug off doubts that would weaken their will surpasses others. That's why no other Guardians could have gotten their Light back from the Shard; they lack faith in their ability to act without the Traveler's Light. The Guardian was absolute in their certainty, and their will made it possible for Light to flow from the Shard.

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              • Just to confirm, you thought causality meant casual players right ?

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                • Bump. Very nice.

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                  • Lol i did a post on acausality a while ago.

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                    • TL;DR Space magic.

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                      • Rofl huge wall of text and you get the definition wrong. The cause comes before the effect.

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                        • Well done

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                        • I never killed Oryx. Never completed any raid for that matter, still waiting to get a computer before I do

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                        • bunp

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                        • Bump

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